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War with Russia?

So I saw we're placing sanctions against certain officials and since things presently seem to be escalating I ask the question how likely is a war with Russia?

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I don't think it's likely. It's not long before Obama starts apologizing to Russia.

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lmao...he's taking this whole diplomacy really literally

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I don't think it's likely. It's not long before Obama starts apologizing to Russia.
you mean sucking Putin's d*ck?

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Does Crimea have any oil and gas fields? If not, expect no action from the US.

'Freedom' is only granted to places with oil and gas. Of course, they have to pay for their 'freedom' somehow
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Does Crimea have any oil and gas fields? If not, expect no action from the US.

'Freedom' is only granted to places with oil and gas. Of course, they have to pay for their 'freedom' somehow
no but it's got Russia's black sea fleet.

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I've just decimated Russia in Risk. Expect no military action from them commie bastards


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We can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, etc. and it's OK. Crimea has an election and decides to join Russia, and we're pissed? **** us, seriously.
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We can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, etc. and it's OK. Crimea has an election and decides to join Russia, and we're pissed? **** us, seriously.
Its pretty hypocritical Isn't it...
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That is the real epitome of American exceptionalism, nothing is okay...except when we do it.

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Does Crimea have any oil and gas fields? If not, expect no action from the US.

'Freedom' is only granted to places with oil and gas. Of course, they have to pay for their 'freedom' somehow
Tell that to Venezuela

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Thank you "The X"......

You younger posters are WAY too dismissive of this bad development.

Please remember recent history (or learn just a bit....before it is too late!)

Stalingrad......Leningrad....Berlin ....Russians are tough People, and when they fight, they fight to win!

the Crimea voted to join Russia.....as a believer in self determination, I have to respect their decision......and we have no business interfering there.

We are facing a big moment and this could end up with nukes..

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i don't think it's any of our business. If we were smart we would team up with Russia and rid the world of all the islamic extremist
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Does anyone think we (The U.S.) would ever be invaded? Pearl Harbor aside, I mean continental U.S. I sometimes wonder what it would be like to form a local militia and fight in my own backyard.


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be careful with that!

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I am probably flagged, for my previous post !
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in my laymen opinion: Putin knows the US wont challenge him militarily. your excursions into Iraq and afghan and your commitments in south korea as well as the situation with Iran, you are just way too committed and hurting from public opinion to challenge him.

looking at it in a different way, tackling Russia in a war will allow all these other areas to become unstable and out of control. Putin is smartly using this opportunity to re-establish Russia as a super power with some bite, and he will continue to do so until Europe ups its military game.

The sad reality is, that with both China and Russia growing its military, and Europe declining its military, the US alone cannot react to Russia's expansion.

regarding the vote to join Russia, i think its a shortsighted decision by a populace yearning for the good old days of perceived Russian unity and dominance, who will regret giving up their independence in the long run.



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Does anyone think we (The U.S.) would ever be invaded? Pearl Harbor aside, I mean continental U.S. I sometimes wonder what it would be like to form a local militia and fight in my own backyard.
again as a layman with no military training, id say it would be very expensive for any country to invade and occupy the continental US. Not only is it far from any major enemy, but its large enough to make that a complex objective.

one may consider an occupation of strategic areas such as Washington (the capital) for instance after US military power is defeated.

think about the difficulties you faced in Iraq AFTER the war. now turn that around and see how difficult it will be for an enemy to occupy the US.



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From what I've heard this issue is that they were basically threatened before the vote and that Russia bullied them into voting "Yes". Whether thats true or not, its a UN problem....not a US problem. We can't be the big brother and help everyone, history itself is proof enough that world wide peace and unity will never happen. I'm personally tired of the US going further into debt to help other countries, especially the ones that have the financial means to pay us back. And how do you call out someone for being a bad leader when you are one yourself.
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in my laymen opinion: Putin knows the US wont challenge him militarily. your excursions into Iraq and afghan and your commitments in south korea as well as the situation with Iran, you are just way too committed and hurting from public opinion to challenge him.

looking at it in a different way, tackling Russia in a war will allow all these other areas to become unstable and out of control. Putin is smartly using this opportunity to re-establish Russia as a super power with some bite, and he will continue to do so until Europe ups its military game.

The sad reality is, that with both China and Russia growing its military, and Europe declining its military, the US alone cannot react to Russia's expansion.

regarding the vote to join Russia, i think its a shortsighted decision by a populace yearning for the good old days of perceived Russian unity and dominance, who will regret giving up their independence in the long run.
The U.S. has a larger military than the next 13 countries combined, we never really get spread too thin. Also, being that our foreign policy is essentially wtf are you looking at don't discount our involvement.

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The U.S. has a larger military than the next 13 countries combined, we never really get spread too thin. Also, being that our foreign policy is essentially wtf are you looking at don't discount our involvement.

You got that a bit off. Our defense budget is larger than the next 13 countries combined. China and Russia have the largest militaries. We are by no means the biggest, nor are we the most effective.

North Korea has the largest and most effective Special Forces followed by Russia and then China.

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You got that a bit off. Our defense budget is larger than the next 13 countries combined. China and Russia have the largest militaries. We are by no means the biggest, nor are we the most effective.

North Korea has the largest and most effective Special Forces followed by Russia and then China.
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You got that a bit off. Our defense budget is larger than the next 13 countries combined. China and Russia have the largest militaries. We are by no means the biggest, nor are we the most effective.

North Korea has the largest and most effective Special Forces followed by Russia and then China.
Numbers of soldiers really don't mean anything as far a China and Russia go. It's the weaponry that makes the difference. North Korea can't even launch a missle properly. A drone could take out any special force team they have pretty fast.



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Numbers of soldiers really don't mean anything as far a China and Russia go. It's the weaponry that makes the difference. North Korea can't even launch a missle properly. A drone could take out any special force team they have pretty fast.

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Except a drone wouldn't be able to come within 50 miles of NK. They have SA2 and SA5 sites all over the place that are extremely effective at taking out low to high altitude aircraft. They also have long range artillery that can reach well over the border into S. Korea capable of doing more damage than you can possibly imagine in less time than you could imagine.

So yeah, the numbers don't really matter. Weaponry does. But who shoots the weapons? And unfortunately, our weaponry in that region is very insignificant compared to the number of Spetnaz that are prepared to enter Ukraine on a moments notice.

Also, think political and economical ramifications. What would happen if we put forces in Ukraine without UN approval. It would be a US-Russia war. We are as likely to be sanctioned for going against UN Policies as Russia is for doing the same thing to Ukraine that we would be doing.

Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief, the Russian and Chinese militaries are a lot more capable than most people are led to believe. I've fought in 3 wars across this planet, each with its own unique circumstances and I can honestly tell you, a war with China, Russia or DPRK would be absolutely devastating to the US. It would be more bloody than the American people are prepared to handle. And our civilians would lose the will to fight rather fast.

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The Cold War didn't end till the fall of the Soviet Union in 91. Many members here still remember those times, and many members here weren't alive yet. That was just 23 years ago.

There are still pro-soviets all over Russia and the former eastern soviet block. As much as it sucks to hear, the Russian threat is still very strong. And their force is still very formidable. I don't like installing fear in people, but it would be wise to respect their capabilities. This whole "we are the greatest nation on earth" **** is BS. It only leads to a mentality of invincibility, and what happens when a rider starts feeling invincible?

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Except a drone wouldn't be able to come within 50 miles of NK. They have SA2 and SA5 sites all over the place that are extremely effective at taking out low to high altitude aircraft. They also have long range artillery that can reach well over the border into S. Korea capable of doing more damage than you can possibly imagine in less time than you could imagine.

So yeah, the numbers don't really matter. Weaponry does. But who shoots the weapons? And unfortunately, our weaponry in that region is very insignificant compared to the number of Spetnaz that are prepared to enter Ukraine on a moments notice.

Also, think political and economical ramifications. What would happen if we put forces in Ukraine without UN approval. It would be a US-Russia war. We are as likely to be sanctioned for going against UN Policies as Russia is for doing the same thing to Ukraine that we would be doing.

Unfortunately, contrary to popular belief, the Russian and Chinese militaries are a lot more capable than most people are led to believe. I've fought in 3 wars across this planet, each with its own unique circumstances and I can honestly tell you, a war with China, Russia or DPRK would be absolutely devastating to the US. It would be more bloody than the American people are prepared to handle. And our civilians would lose the will to fight rather fast.
Well how does every modern war the US has been in played out. The take out air defence and the air force first. Try looking at the size of the air force and the level of sophisticated equipment compared to what nk is using. Ask yourself how long before the US completely destroyed nk air force and controls the sky? Than a drone could operate freely. You control the sky you win the war. Not saying occupying is easy, that's another story.

Remember when Iraq had the third or fourth most powerful military. Didn't take long to completely destroy any government they had in place two times.



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