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Question Another 'what tires' thread + information request for a newbie

Hello, I just got my RR, about 4 days ago!

She needs some new tires though. Right now she is wearing Diablo Supercorsa and I think they have somewhere around 8.000km/5.000miles.
I need something for almost every day use, something that gets warm quickly but not worn quickly that much...
I am a fairly inexperienced supersport rider and I don't plan on going in tracks anytime soon. This doesn't mean I am on a budget though.

I've heard a lot about these three tires: Michelin Pilot Power 3/2CT, Bridgestone Battlax S21/S20 EVO and Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3/2.
What are the differences between them (for example the 3 and the 2CT)? I know this topic is kind of subjective but, any recommendations?

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Q3+

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I thought these were more for track use, no? I don't want to lose a lot of grip but I prefer milage in general.

I am between Pilot Power 3 and Diablo Rosso 3 for now...

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I have owned all but the pirellis. For your riding I would recommend the Bridgestone S21.

As per your question, the PP 2ct is very similar to the PP3. The PP3 is just a newer/better version of the 2ct. They are both good.

The Q3 is awesome for canyon carving. Haven't had em on the track but I've heard they do quite well. They go really quick though.

The S21 is what I have on now. I only have ~500 miles on them so I can't say much about longevity, but the grip is there. My favorite tire of the bunch.

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I have owned all but the pirellis. For your riding I would recommend the Bridgestone S21.
Hey dude, it would be awesome if you could share a little bit of knowledge regarding these.
My dad has been OBSESSED with the Pilot Power 3, he is so biased, wearing nothing but Michelin in his Duc 800SS.
I am more leaning towards these and Diablo Rosso 3. What are the differences of these and the S21?

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Q3+

No question.
I thought these were more for track use, no? I don't want to lose a lot of grip but I prefer milage in general.

I am between Pilot Power 3 and Diablo Rosso 3 for now...

Do some research for while before you decide. There is a Q3+ and a regular Q3. I have run many different tires including the PP3 you are looking at. The Q3+ now has a triple compound center just like the S21, but the Q3 has a much more fluid profile as cornering is much easier compared to the taller profile of the S21.

Regarding the other poster...I put almost 5000 mikes on my set of S21s that I JUST REPLACED with theses Q3+ tires.

The PP3s are good tires too.

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honestly it sounds like you'd be better off with a pilot road.
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Do some research for while before you decide.
That's what I'm actually trying to do. I am looking in pretty much every option available and
so far I have excluded a few (S20/S21, PP3) and included some others as well (Q3+, T30 Evo, Metzeler M5/M7)...

The more I research, the more options appear, and the more confusing it gets...
It seems like retailers tend to be biased towards one brand too, and this is not helpful for people like me.
For example, one was trying to sell me PP2CT, another one an S20, and another one today was like "MATE I HAVE WHATEVER YOU WANT"...

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honestly it sounds like you'd be better off with a pilot road.
I know these are amazing tires but I doubt I will be doing any commuting under heavy weather conditions at all.
I just want a good all-around tire, definately no track tires, with some good enough grip but not in a way that I'll need to replace tomorrow.

I also don't corner that much, since I'm fairly inexperienced. If I decide to push some throttle, it will definately be a safe straight.

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what you are describing is exactly what a pilot road is good for.
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what you are describing is exactly what a pilot road is good for.
Isn't the Pilot Road a "I want to commute under heavy rain" tire?
How can someone go from Diablo Supercorsa's to Pilot Road anyway?
I think the feeling will be totally different. Isn't there something inbetween?

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you said you don't go fast, you don't go around corners, you want it to last forever.

that is a pilot road.



the pilot power is a street/track day capable tire. so is the q3, so is the s21. these are all going to be head and shoulders way more tire than you're after. and all won't last nearly as long as the pilot road.


if you gave a pro a set of pilot roads at a track day he'd still kick the **** out of all the novices on their supercorsas, dragging knee all over the place.


pretty well all tires now will give you more grip than you need. and if you don't plan on riding like an ******* you're just buying grip you'll never use to have it wear out too soon.
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you said you don't go fast, you don't go around corners, you want it to last forever.
This is pretty reasonable information, and I thank you for that.
I don't want it to last forever though, and I didn't say that I am not going fast or I am never cornering.
I just said I'm inexperienced, for now. I just got the bike, after having an 125 for 8 years...
Isn't it normal to be a little humble and don't go crazy for now?

In the current situation, I have the bike for fun. If it's raining, I'm not going out. I am not going to the track either though.
Just highway rides, going somewhere around the city, etc.

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then the pilot road would be a great choice.


highway rides are VERY hard on tires as they work the center section and build a lot of heat. the dual compound of the road series is designed for this.



look, i've been riding supersports for 15 years, and have used a huge number of tires. if you don't want to put a "road" tire on your bike for some reason then so be it. but based on your needs, it's the best one for you.
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The pilot road 4's are expensive as hell tho.

OP how did you eliminate the S21? Honestly I think it would work very well for you, and they can be had for really cheap.

I'll do the math later, but I would bet the S21 is cheaper per mile than the PR4.

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OP how did you eliminate the S21?
At first they seemed an amazing option, I was almost convinced to take these. Then I saw many people not being that satisfied by them.
It was like 50-50 of positive and negative comments. Then a local retailer I called didn't suggest me these, but the S20.
Later, a different retailer suggested, the T30 Evo or the BT016 Pro... I guess I gave up on researching Bridgestone tires because nobody
really recommended something specific, especially the S21
(which I think the S21 is a better S20? I don't know)...

Everybody seemed to recommend the Dunlop Q3+ and the Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3.
Another retailer was like, just because I have on Supercorsa now, I'd like better the Diablo Rosso 2 or 3, which are basically a more
street-oriented Supercorsa.

For now, I'm almost convinced for the Rosso 3, but I also consider the Q3+ and the S21.
I am so not into the Pilot Road 4 though. These are described as Sport-Touring tires, plus they are more expensive due to probably
being really good all-around. I know they will last forever, but I don't really care about forever.

Sure I'm not the most aggressive rider, but I'm willing to learn to ride properly, safely, and having fun at the same time.

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Don't pay too much attention to retailers. A lot of them don't know what they are talking about, or don't have your best interest in mind.

For unbiased real rider reviews I would go to RevZilla and read the user reviews. Plenty of reading material.

The S21 is a better S20, just like the Q3+ is a better Q3, etc.

I would agree that the PR4 is overkill for you especially if you don't ride in the rain.

You don't want the Q3, it wears out super fast.

S21 will have more performance than you can utilize, and has really good tire life. Where have you seen bad reviews. Everyone I have talked to has nothing but good things to say.

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For unbiased real rider reviews I would go to RevZilla and read the user reviews. Plenty of reading material.
S21 will have more performance than you can utilize, and has really good tire life. Where have you seen bad reviews..
Οk now it's Diablo Rosso 3 vs S21. RevZilla is a huge source of what I have learned. All in all, even in their reviews, the Pirellis seem to be
the most famous and the ones with the most positive reviews so far. It's also a good thing they share almost the same structure with my Supercorsas
... sooo I guess I go with the Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3?

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Οk now it's Diablo Rosso 3 vs S21. RevZilla is a huge source of what I have learned. All in all, even in their reviews, the Pirellis seem to be
the most famous and the ones with the most positive reviews so far. It's also a good thing they share almost the same structure with my Supercorsas
... sooo I guess I go with the Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3?
Go for it brother. You will love the pirelli. In fact, after reading some reviews, I might have to try them after my S21 wears out haha!

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Those Rossos will flatten out fast as well. They are a two compound tire.

Get something that has a triple compound center. This is the key for longevity for a hypersport tire, and as far as Im concerned, a hypersport Tire is the only thing to run on these bikes. Track-Rossi or not. I would rather pay for a grippier Tire and have it not last as long, than have harder compound that may cost you some down time.

As I mentioned, I got almost 5000 miles in my S21s. For a hyoersport that use to be unheard of, but its is triple compound Tire just like the Q3+. The S21s are more difficult going into corners, the Q3s have the best profile for cornering, period.

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I have had the S20's, gave me about 7-8000Km's on the CBR1000. brilliant Tyre with loads of grip and I loved the cornering feel and feedback it gave from the front tyre. Have been reading about the s21's and Rosso3's and they sound amazing. I would go personally for the Rosso's just to test them. because I commute on the cbr1000 everyday I slammed Dunlops Roadsmart3's. my GF rides with me everyday and I have gotten 10 000Km's on them to date. still looking brand new they corner amazing in the dry sweeiping corners high speed corners etc. we ride in the rain/dry doesnt matter they are awesome. and not too expensive.

its up to your riding style though. but the Rosso's seem to be very good.


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Hmm update...
My retailer claims that it's better to go Diablo Rosso 2, which apparently will last longer, and not the Rosso 3 because it is pretty much the same as Supercorsa...

The 2 are about $100 cheaper too. But aren't the 3 supposed to be a much better 2?

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Your way too into this. Buy a set of tires. They are all awesome. Q3's are the most awesome. Mileage shouldn't be a concern.

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Your way too into this. Buy a set of tires. They are all awesome. Q3's are the most awesome. Mileage shouldn't be a concern.
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Hmm update...
My retailer claims that it's better to go Diablo Rosso 2, which apparently will last longer, and not the Rosso 3 because it is pretty much the same as Supercorsa...

The 2 are about $100 cheaper too. But aren't the 3 supposed to be a much better 2?
ask him what bike he has and how he rides. maybe that will give you an idea of his style. but follow your own. buy a set and try them out. I dont go on hear say from the Dealers or retailers. I see a bike with the brand i am interested in and i ask that guy what he thinks about that tire and feels . they should know best because they already riding with it.


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You are right guys, I am probably overthinking about this... Thank you for all the insight, everyone!

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