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Is The Clutch Lever Still Needed Anymore?

For as long as you own a 600rr and done nothing else to it then I can see you still need the clutch lever. However, the new Honda CBR1000RR SP comes with slipper clutch, auto-blipper, and even quick shifter, I don't see where the clutch come into play except maybe, just maybe shifting from 1-2. If the technology is further improved, then is there still a need for a clutch lever?
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You need to pull it in at a stop at the very least.

Electronic gadgets are great, but if you’re riding along at a slow pace or in traffic, I’d probably still use the clutch.

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I bang downshifted once for funsies, I don't recommend it
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For as long as you own a 600rr and done nothing else to it then I can see you still need the clutch lever. However, the new Honda CBR1000RR SP comes with slipper clutch, auto-blipper, and even quick shifter, I don't see where the clutch come into play except maybe, just maybe shifting from 1-2. If the technology is further improved, then is there still a need for a clutch lever?
Does it come with a clutch lever? If so I would imagine it still would be useful. But I do see your point. A lot of advancements have been made, those you mentioned and also electronics such as launch control, traction control, wheelie control, ABS, etc. I watched a Wayne Rainey interview and he touched on the topic as well, giving comparison and insight into the olden days.

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Until you get centrifugal disengagement at idle the lever is absolutely necessary.
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OP have you been

Of course you need the clutch. How else are you going to start from a stop, or more importantly pop wheelies in higher gears.

One time my slave cylinder went out in my daily, and I didn't want to flatbed it home; many a stop sign were blown that day.

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I think it's more of a rhetorical question that the OP is posing.
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i dont know if i would really enjoy riding without a clutch. if you didnt have one then youre kinda just riding a big scooter. i dont even like quick shifters. i get they have a track purpose but for street riding why would you need one? i dont want to see motorbikes going in the same direction as all the electronic gizmos they have on modern cars like self reverse parking and junk. the whole point of riding to me is to actually ride the damn thing

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They already have clutchless Honda's. Nobody buys them, cause they are stupid. Clutches for life!

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Definitely forgot about the stop and go part. With that in mind, doesn't it feel the entire clutch system is over designed now that 3 of the 4 things that the clutch was responsible for is being controlled by electronics? I guess the answer to my own question is no, it's not needed when we're going full electric motorcycle.
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i dont know what you mean by over designed... the clutches on motorcycles are amazingly simple devices.
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They already have clutchless Honda's. Nobody buys them, cause they are stupid. Clutches for life!
I like the use of clutch too and we're thinking that now but electric IS the future. Just like how everyone thought Tesla was dumb but now everyone is in line waiting to get their hands on one.

We wanted QS, Auto-Blipper, Slipper Clutch, ABS, on and on. The bike is slowing moving to Electric but we just don't want to admit it yet. This is for another topic.
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i dont know what you mean by over designed... the clutches on motorcycles are amazingly simple devices.
It had many uses before before the electronics took over. Now where it gets used is stop and go where it may no longer be needed regardless of how simple. It can't get any simpler than to eliminate it.
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it's ONLY use is to uncouple the engine from the transmission. that's it. there aren't many uses. it only does one thing.


so long as the engine always has to turn, there must be a way to reliably uncouple it from the wheel. the system in place is second to none in terms of being able to handle all the horsepower you can throw at it while still being able to slip enough to make the thing rideable.

it's brilliantly simple and remarkably robust. can't see a way to simplify it
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Dream boy you are totally tripping lol

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In another word, as long as there are gears then clutch is needed. Electric motors don't use gears so there's no need to uncouple the engine from transmission.
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electric motors use gears all the time. the tesla has a gearbox.


the difference is that electric motors can stop completely. since they don't need to idle, when you stop, they stop.
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Let the battery go dead enough you can't open the car to get the charging cable out, or try not being near an electrical oulet and experience the wonder that is tesla service department and then get back to me. The only people who want one are the people that absolutely hate the driving experience in general and/or haven't had to deal with a tesla yet.

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Quick shifters and auto-blippers is not an automatic transmission. You absolutely need the clutch. The only times you should be using a quick shifter is on hard acceleration (preferably in the higher RPM ranges), similar with auto-blipper, using it in higher RPM ranges.

Your typical cruise around town mode should always involve the clutch.
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