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Who uses their rear brake at the track?

I just did my first trackday at buttonwillow. I use my rear brake on the street all the time. I was told not to use the rear brake when I went to the track. It took me a while to get used to braking without using my rear brake., but by the 3rd round, I was getting the hang of it. Does anyone use their rear brakes at the track? If so, what is the proper technique? Thanks.

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I dont use it at all unless I run off into the gravel.

Plenty of successful racers say not to use it, and the same amount say they cant get by without it. I guess its personal preference. Just know that they arent really using it for heavy braking, but more to trail brake when already turned in and heavy braking is done.
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just dont go stomping on the rear brake and ull be fine....personally i hardly touch my rear brake unless I am coming in too hot or running wide

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I used the rear brake my first day too. Came in too hot one time, heavy on the front brake slightly leand and tried to apply some back and it came round on me quick but saved it somehow. I asked round the pits and was told not to use it also.
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I went to use it once... Then realized I never put fluid in the m/c :) (because I never use it...)


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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i never use my rear brake at the track. the only time our instructors told us to use them is when you go off road, then use your rear brake only.

i hardly ever use the rear brake on the streets anymore coz i'm so used to the same at the track.

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I've only used it when going off roading at the track. With that being said..I'm going to be taking myself to task and trying to utilize it more often for trail braking.
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I've only used it when going off roading at the track. With that being said..I'm going to be taking myself to task and trying to utilize it more often for trail braking.
Don't bother yourself too much with it. Yes it can be an asset but you have to sacrfice control in order to do it.

When you can trailbrake without using the rear while maintaining control you get the best of both worlds (just MHO though)


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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i use it under heavy breaking or off roading
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Don't bother yourself too much with it. Yes it can be an asset but you have to sacrfice control in order to do it.

When you can trailbrake without using the rear while maintaining control you get the best of both worlds (just MHO though)
I could get pretty aggressive w/the front brake on my SV (03 gsxr750 front end), even at full lean, not sure of what I can get away with on the RR???
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I could get pretty aggressive w/the front brake on my SV (03 gsxr750 front end), even at full lean, not sure of what I can get away with on the RR???
Everyone has their own ideas of what "pretty aggressive" and "full lean" is, but in my idea of it, you'd be on the ground in the first corner if you tried that on any bike, let alone the RR.

I trail brake with the front, and like Niner said you can get away with it if you are smooth and dont ask too much of the front. Full lean and aggressive braking is too much and you'll go down. I love trail braking though, in places you can do it. Really allows me to set corner speed much better than if I just let off the brake and go in the corner. With trail braking, my corner speeds are much higher, plus I feel more stable doing it now than -get all braking done then steer-
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I went to use it once... Then realized I never put fluid in the m/c :) (because I never use it...)
thats got to be scary. going for the brakes and you get nothing. i would **** myself
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I also never use iton the track and only ever used in on the street to save some front pad wear on slow in town traffic.

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If I am using the rear brake it's usually because I just ran off the track. Thankfully I haven't had to use the rear brake in a long time.

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use it under super heavy braking, or scrubbing a lil speed with a very slight, quick tap when tipping over going into the turn. it all depends on your riding style. I now some guys who could take the rear caliper off completely if they "wanted" to, they NEVER use it.


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i ran rear brake only on my harley for 6 years and wastruly comfortable like that even in emergency stops but the first ride on on my 03rr moving pretty good hit rear break and chinese acrobat time havent really used it since then and never on the track but i would like to have teck science or the physics info just to understand the true points at which the rear can be used and when not lean angle speeds cornering weight transfer probably to heavy to comprehend but trial and error is not an option for my old bones
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i never use my rear brake at the track. the only time our instructors told us to use them is when you go off road, then use your rear brake only.

i hardly ever use the rear brake on the streets anymore coz i'm so used to the same at the track.
Exactly what I was gonna say, just got into the habit early of never using it besides specific situations
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i ran rear brake only on my harley for 6 years and wastruly comfortable like that even in emergency stops but the first ride on on my 03rr moving pretty good hit rear break and chinese acrobat time havent really used it since then and never on the track but i would like to have teck science or the physics info just to understand the true points at which the rear can be used and when not lean angle speeds cornering weight transfer probably to heavy to comprehend but trial and error is not an option for my old bones
Nah, its not too heavy for you. Just think about it logically... there is no weight on the rear tire in heavy braking. the chances of locking it up go up exponentially, and because the rear tire is so light under heavy braking that even if you could use the brake without locking it up you arent going to get any stopping power anyways.

The reason you can kinda use it while entering the corner and off of the heavy braking is because some of the bike's weight has transferred back to the rear of the bike making the rear brake more usable.
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If it's a wet trackday, I'll use the rear brake at the end of long straights.

If you think about it, the best chance of locking up the front tire is at the very beginning of your braking... before the weight has transferred to the front and the tire has squatted.

The least chance of locking up the rear tire is at the beginning of the braking zone.

So, I will use some rear brake just as I'm rolling off the throttle to help the bike squat rather than nosedive. As I progressively squeeze the front brake, I'll progressively let go of the rear... until I am back to just front brake.

I find this method helps ensure I don't grab the front brakes too hard, too soon... because I'm adding another step between gas and front brake.

If it's dry, or I'm just using the brakes to scrub a little speed... then I just use the front for the reasons mentioned above.
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It because some people don't know how or when to use the rear brake correctly @ a aggressive/race pace. That why some trackdays org's suggest not using them.
Its easier to go down when misuse, rear locking up ect..
If you go down were waiting for the corner workers to clean up and its down time we are not riding.



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i like to use my rear brake during a trackday for a multitude of reasons
one ... the aformentioned offroading lol of course not to hard just to keep you from putting yourself in the wall of course....

two... i like to use it normally coming off the main straight at pretty much every track its heavy braking there normally from 150 plus and you dont wanna boil your brakes

three.... i like to get the ass end moving a little lets me know whats going on there personally its a habit i heard alot of track guys do this but its not like we hit it like that in every corner its just a hair trigger that i have tuned into putting me in the right mode to turn it in!!

and finally last but not least... 4 .... i will use the front brake if and only if i went into a corner way too hot and the tires need not scrub the speed off the rear brake can be gently applied so you can make a small correction without affecting the bikes turning dynamics where as the front brake make the nose dive ever so slighty which makes the bike want to stand straight up in the corner and well goes without saying thats a bad thing!!

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Nope, my rear brake doesn't get touched.... and when I have gone for an off track expeadition I try and remember its there... :)
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I went to use it once... Then realized I never put fluid in the m/c :) (because I never use it...)
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Never use it unless I'm cutting the grass......

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just looking at the esquire cover and forgot everthing i just read
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wait last weekend I used the rear brake!





Oh, wait, no... well I thought I did...


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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I only use the rear brake when I want to back it in like Rossi, other then that never.:icon_lol:


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