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I just started going to track im running some dot tiers pirelli supercorsa do i really need tire warmers and does it really help in giving the tire a longer life and is it noticable

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They are DOT race tires? If so, then warmers are nice. But, no, they are not a requirement. Just take a few laps at 80% pace to get your temps up, then let it rip.



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As stated above not soo much for DOT.

For RACE Tires, Definitely.

Although. No matter what, its always nice to go out on the track with hot tires.
Specially if you are really getting aggresive out there.

Could make the difference between a $2500 Repair bill, or not.


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Just my .02

I run race tires (slicks) and don't use tire warmers in the summer. I run a decent pace. 1st lap, I'm pushing 75-85% passing riders left & right.

A guy in our circle of friends does some crazy times and doesn't run warmers.

Towards the end of the year as it gets colder I'll use tire warmers.

From what others have told me, if you race then I would otherwise all you have to do is warm up the tires for a lap or 2 and you're good to go.

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As stated above not soo much for DOT.

For RACE Tires, Definitely.

Although. No matter what, its always nice to go out on the track with hot tires.
Specially if you are really getting aggresive out there.

Could make the difference between a $2500 Repair bill, or not.


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Tire warmers = less heat cycles = super fresh tires for however many track days you can get out of them... plus you don't really need to do the standard 2-3 warm up laps if you run warmers, which is nice.
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Tire warmers = less heat cycles = super fresh tires for however many track days you can get out of them... plus you don't really need to do the standard 2-3 warm up laps if you run warmers, which is nice.
Well put.

Indeed you can warm up your tires for the first 2-3 laps.
But, you spend a LOT of money to attend these race events, and or track days.
It's nice to get 100% out of your investment, instead of loosing 10-20% of your laps, while your trying to warm your tires.

Not to mention often you wind up cold tearing your tires. Which is no good.


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Most orgs don't allow you to pass on the 1st lap or 2. So, you're using that time to warm up your tires anyways.

Also, if you're a fakin' C to low B group rider a warmed up tire ain't gonna do you any good if you're not using the warmed up tires to it's full advantage. There's really no point, heat cycle or cold tear or not.

Use that money towards something better.

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Most orgs don't allow you to pass on the 1st lap or 2. So, you're using that time to warm up your tires anyways.
Thank God none of the orgs I do track days with has this rule.

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Thank God none of the orgs I do track days with has this rule.
I think they do this because there were numerous of accidents on the first lap because the riders felt since their tires were warmed up using tire warmers they can take advantage of their tires 100% on the first lap.

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Thank God none of the orgs I do track days with has this rule.
Yea, have not heard that either. Maybe first lap.

Thinking the crashing riders were probably the ones with COLD Tires. Which kinda confirms the concept of tire warmers.

Cause if they didn't work, why would EVERY SINGLE PRO Race Team everywhere in the WORLD use them.


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Cause if they didn't work, why would EVERY SINGLE PRO Race Team everywhere in the WORLD use them.
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You just proved my point D.A.!


ok, so you shouldn't use SS Brake Lines, or Steering Damper , or upgraded suspension or even Race tires... Because that's what the pros use. And since your slow you don't need to use them.?
Is that your claim..?

I totally can understand if someone says, " I am new to racing, should I go get a $15,000 motor upgrade first.., or $5000 Brembo SBK Rotors and Calipers..? "
YEa. That doesn't make much sense.

But, if someone says, " I want to get faster and WIN RACES, and not finish mid pack all the time, should i get Tire Warmers..?"

Then I would definitely say "YES"

Most of us here at the shop have raced for at least 10 years. And Won many races, and some championships. And NON of us did it without Tire warmers. It's just crazy.

Sure, if your slow, or you don't want to charge into turn one and try and win.
Maybe you don't need them. That's cool.

But, if one day you actually DO want to win, and you TRY really hard right from the start, like the rest of the world, and then wind up crashing out in the first lap, because you had cold tires.
Then you may say, "Hmm... Guess $399 for tire warmers would have been a lot less expensive then this $2000 crash, and $4000 hospital bill."

Telling someone that Tirewarmers are waste of money is right up there with saying race tires are waste of money. Sure, if your slow they are.



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ok, so you shouldn't use SS Brake Lines, or Steering Damper , or upgraded suspension or even Race tires... Because that's what the pros use. And since your slow you don't need to use them.?
Is that your claim..?

I totally can understand if someone says, " I am new to racing, should I go get a $15,000 motor upgrade first.., or $5000 Brembo SBK Rotors and Calipers..? "
YEa. That doesn't make much sense.

But, if someone says, " I want to get faster and WIN RACES, and not finish mid pack all the time, should i get Tire Warmers..?"

Then I would definitely say "YES"

Most of us here at the shop have raced for at least 10 years. And Won many races, and some championships. And NON of us did it without Tire warmers. It's just crazy.

Sure, if your slow, or you don't want to charge into turn one and try and win.
Maybe you don't need them. That's cool.

But, if one day you actually DO want to win, and you TRY really hard right from the start, like the rest of the world, and then wind up crashing out in the first lap, because you had cold tires.
Then you may say, "Hmm... Guess $399 for tire warmers would have been a lot less expensive then this $2000 crash, and $4000 hospital bill."

Telling someone that Tirewarmers are waste of money is right up there with saying race tires are waste of money. Sure, if your slow they are.



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but you only get a $4000 medical bill if your down in the good ol USofA ;)

I would just get a hot nurse and a horrible hospital dinner all for freeeeeee
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ok, so you shouldn't use SS Brake Lines, or Steering Damper , or upgraded suspension or even Race tires... Because that's what the pros use. And since your slow you don't need to use them.?
Is that your claim..?

I totally can understand if someone says, " I am new to racing, should I go get a $15,000 motor upgrade first.., or $5000 Brembo SBK Rotors and Calipers..? "
YEa. That doesn't make much sense.

But, if someone says, " I want to get faster and WIN RACES, and not finish mid pack all the time, should i get Tire Warmers..?"

Then I would definitely say "YES"

Most of us here at the shop have raced for at least 10 years. And Won many races, and some championships. And NON of us did it without Tire warmers. It's just crazy.

Sure, if your slow, or you don't want to charge into turn one and try and win.
Maybe you don't need them. That's cool.

But, if one day you actually DO want to win, and you TRY really hard right from the start, like the rest of the world, and then wind up crashing out in the first lap, because you had cold tires.
Then you may say, "Hmm... Guess $399 for tire warmers would have been a lot less expensive then this $2000 crash, and $4000 hospital bill."

Telling someone that Tirewarmers are waste of money is right up there with saying race tires are waste of money. Sure, if your slow they are.



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but you only get a $4000 medical bill if your down in the good ol USofA ;)

I would just get a hot nurse and a horrible hospital dinner all for freeeeeee

Yea, we can only hope for some united healthcare, like you guys. A.



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Yea, we can only hope for some united healthcare, like you guys. A.



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Well against what most Americans believe its one of the reasons I will never move back to the States.
Nationalized heathcare FTMFW!!
Best **** ever!!

Hell I could move to cuba and still have better healthcare then the states...

but ok enough whoring this thread....

Tire warmers FTW!! hehe
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Wait, this is a national healthcare thread now? hahah... anyways, I live in the USA and have GREAT freakin' healthcare including vision and dental, the whole shabam.. can't say the same for all the sheeple on welfare though I guess.

Oh yeah and Tire Warmers FTW!
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Most orgs don't allow you to pass on the 1st lap or 2. So, you're using that time to warm up your tires anyways.
thats usually only 1st session for the beginners that does something like that.
the advanced guys get free reign right from the start.

If your spending the money for supercorsas, I dont see a reason why you shouldnt be using warmers.
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Wait, this is a national healthcare thread now? hahah... anyways, I live in the USA and have GREAT freakin' healthcare including vision and dental, the whole shabam.. can't say the same for all the sheeple on welfare though I guess.

Oh yeah and Tire Warmers FTW!

sorry to say, but unless your paying a royal arse ton, the people on welfare probably have better healthcare than you do (govt provided, little to no copay, accepted any where, no anual cost to the user)


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are tires warmers really needed?
Honestly No...

But are they nice to have?
Hell YES! I just started using them recently.. yes I do agree it was not neccessary at all to use when I was a newbie in the C group. Currently I started riding in the A group... I am not the slowest guy but neither the fastest. But the warmers really add to my peace off mind out there on the first lap, and I dont have to waste time doing 2 to 3 warm up laps before I erally get into it.
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i jus park the bike in the sun. tires stay warm.








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i jus park the bike in the sun. tires stay warm.


BAWAHAHHAA
have you ever tried spraying your tires with hairspray and then right before the session have someone light them on fire?

That works too I've heard
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Or a blow tourch.

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Tire warmers = less heat cycles = super fresh tires for however many track days you can get out of them... plus you don't really need to do the standard 2-3 warm up laps if you run warmers, which is nice.
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I usually cuddle up to my tires the night before I put them on. Warms them up a little yet not considered at heat cycle. Tire warmers are definitely a gotta have. Last November at CMP I saw a guy go into turn one. The first lap of the first session "aka warm up lap" lost his front end. NO TIRE WARMERS. Wasted half of the day trying to piece his bike back together for the second half of the day. Just my opinion.
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I usually cuddle up to my tires the night before I put them on. Warms them up a little yet not considered at heat cycle. Tire warmers are definitely a gotta have. Last November at CMP I saw a guy go into turn one. The first lap of the first session "aka warm up lap" lost his front end. NO TIRE WARMERS. Wasted half of the day trying to piece his bike back together for the second half of the day. Just my opinion.

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The question should be, why shouldn't you use tyre warmers? If you are so slow your tyres cool down on track.
There's is no disadvantage in using them, but the implications of not using them are far more grave.

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