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Thumbs up My 3rd and 4th track days!

Went back to the track May 8-9th. Still working on my body position. Trying to get my chin down on the clip-on...almost there. Was able to bring my right foot up a little on the peg and significantly reduced the amount of wear on my toe-sliders. I am still dragging my foot in some turns. I have a bad knee on my right side, and that may be affecting my ability to keep it in the same position as my left foot.
Also worked on RP's for braking, turn-in, and exit. My trail-braking has improved a lot also, and I am able to carry much more speed into turns. My speed overall has improved considerably, as I was passing several literbikes throughout my second day. I even had on guy on a Duc 1098 approach me and ask if I was on a 600 after I passed him several times.
My instructor said I was doing well, and was actually gaining space on him on the track, but he said I am going a little too wide into the turns and that is where he was able to close the space. My timed lap was 2:15 on a 2.9 mi course (TWS.) That was running my average pace (70-ish %.) My unofficial time when I chased a buddy was around 2:10, maybe a second or two less, but I was pushing pretty hard.
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Awesome pictures.

I can't wait to pop my track cherry.
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Just an observation...To make your position(aggressive, attack, chin down) work better, I think you need to pick up the elbows a little. They seem like they are cramping you up, especially on the right side. JMO Tdub

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first pic makes me think of a spider monkey on a bike lol... you look good though, def in the right direction. 3rd and 4th trackday = should of already had track plastic on the bike before you ruin the expensive stock stuff!!

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Hey man, worry less about getting the knee out and work more on rolling your body AROUND the bike.

Having your knee out that far just means you're going to drag it everywhere, which might be "cool" but it's going to hinder your growth. The object of the knee is to tell you that you're at you "limits". But I don't think you are anywhere near your limits, therefore when you do NEED to know that "oh shoot I'm at the limits" you'll never know the difference because you're so used to dragging your knee.

Know what I mean?

Hope that makes sense, I can tell my lap times based on which corners and how much my knee drags, most of the time I have to pull my knee BACK into the bike in order to allow me to have more lean angle. Otherwise I have to slow down, but um... that's not why I'm out there, I am there to go FASTER!

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Thread is back to life! lol

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Hey man, worry less about getting the knee out and work more on rolling your body AROUND the bike.

Having your knee out that far just means you're going to drag it everywhere, which might be "cool" but it's going to hinder your growth. The object of the knee is to tell you that you're at you "limits". But I don't think you are anywhere near your limits, therefore when you do NEED to know that "oh shoot I'm at the limits" you'll never know the difference because you're so used to dragging your knee.

Know what I mean?

Hope that makes sense, I can tell my lap times based on which corners and how much my knee drags, most of the time I have to pull my knee BACK into the bike in order to allow me to have more lean angle. Otherwise I have to slow down, but um... that's not why I'm out there, I am there to go FASTER!

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Thanks for the input Niner. I'm not forcing my knee out. Only doing what is comfortable for me. I'm a little confused about what you mean by "my limits." Are you referring to my tire limit? I'm on the edge of the rear, and have an 1/8th in. or less left on the front. I don't see how I could possibly lean the bike any further. These pics don't show me at max lean, so they are somewhat subjective. I understand the concept of using my knee. I don't really care if I drag or not, after the first time it loses it's charm.
I am still working on the torso. hopefully next month I can get it all to come together. Feel free to elaborate.

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first pic makes me think of a spider monkey on a bike lol... you look good though, def in the right direction. 3rd and 4th trackday = should of already had track plastic on the bike before you ruin the expensive stock stuff!!
Spider monkey? I'm only 5'7"...the shortest spider monkey ever! Maybe more like a chimpanzee.
Track plastics? I've only made 3 trips to the track...are you implying I'm gonna crash? j/k.
I will probably get some, in time. It's hard to say. I may end up having a strictly track bike at some point. Unfortunately there are a lot of other things I want to invest in before the plastics.

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Thanks for the input Niner. I'm not forcing my knee out. Only doing what is comfortable for me. I'm a little confused about what you mean by "my limits." Are you referring to my tire limit? I'm on the edge of the rear, and have an 1/8th in. or less left on the front. I don't see how I could possibly lean the bike any further. These pics don't show me at max lean, so they are somewhat subjective. I understand the concept of using my knee. I don't really care if I drag or not, after the first time it loses it's charm.
I am still working on the torso. hopefully next month I can get it all to come together. Feel free to elaborate.
Hey Mike,

That's cool, when I refer to "limits" I mean the point at which you should not be leaning the bike any further, safely.

As far as a gauge of those limits, the tires aren't it. When the chicken strips are gone, that means you have about 8-12* further to go. The tires will continue to flex further, well beyond the point which you're chicken strips are gone.

So, as you can tell you are close to getting you knee down yet you have MUCH more lean angle available. On an 07 600RR you can drag those stocker rear sets as well as your lowers before you reach your limits.

So my point was just that you don't want to get bad habits, people drag their knees all the time when they have no need to, this really just slows them down, maybe not much but when you are dealing with tenths of seconds every little bit helps.

Looking good though man, get back out there and keep it going!!! :D


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Just a comparison of what I was refering to...



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i can't wait to get to a track and the way you look out there being it's only your 3rd and 4th day is awesome. tdub stop showing off you master little rider man lol

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tdub stop showing off you master little rider man lol
Honestly that was not my intent. I was just trying to help. I am not a rider (ex MX Pro). But I can try to be very observant. I have been told that Jake's form is very good...I was just trying to pass that on. Honest

Besides, if I wanted to show off, I would have posted this one...


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i'm just busting your balls, honestly i look at his pictures and try to use them to my advantage and take things from it. I figure if he's leaning a bike that much and has amazing times once i get comfy i could do it too post a thread with that kids pics lol

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Hey Mike,

That's cool, when I refer to "limits" I mean the point at which you should not be leaning the bike any further, safely.

As far as a gauge of those limits, the tires aren't it. When the chicken strips are gone, that means you have about 8-12* further to go. The tires will continue to flex further, well beyond the point which you're chicken strips are gone.

So, as you can tell you are close to getting you knee down yet you have MUCH more lean angle available. On an 07 600RR you can drag those stocker rear sets as well as your lowers before you reach your limits.

So my point was just that you don't want to get bad habits, people drag their knees all the time when they have no need to, this really just slows them down, maybe not much but when you are dealing with tenths of seconds every little bit helps.

Looking good though man, get back out there and keep it going!!! :D
I didn't have too many pics to chose from, so these may have not been the best examples of my performance. I still have a lot of inconsistencies in regards to position that I am trying to work on. I AM dragging in almost all of the turns at TWS depending on my speed. I'm not sure I will be pushing it another 8-10 degrees past my max lean now, which is definitely past 45 in some turns. That will be for the track bike when it happens, and when I start the Level 3 racing school.
Supposedly My PP2CTs have a max of 52-53, and I am pretty close to hitting that now. I have heard of some people dragging their stock pegs on my model bike, but I haven't yet. I chew up my toe-sliders pretty well each time I go so I am pretty close to scraping them. Rearsets or adjustable risers will be on of my next investments. At this point I am still working on seconds, not 1/10ths. I will have to shave off another 15 seconds at least before I can worry about that Thanks again for the input.


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Just a comparison of what I was refering to...


Thanks T, that's pretty much what I'm going for...definitely the "spider monkey" look. Not sure my old ass can still contort like that, but I'll be trying.

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i can't wait to get to a track and the way you look out there being it's only your 3rd and 4th day is awesome.l
Thanks Newb, I'm trying. The rest of my TD's this season will be 2 day events, which IS the way to go. I have to take Mondays off afterward, but it's worth it. Once you start I highly recommend doubling up. You will advance MUCH quicker.

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Cool man, definitely get those feet up and back, you I can drag the Sato pegs and even lowers without dragging my boots.

Sounds like you're having fun and that's what counts!!! :D


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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i'm trying to change my form like a "spider monkey" as well but i think old age is keeping me from doing it, i wish i was 10yrs younger.


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Covering the front brake all the way through the apex?

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Covering the front brake all the way through the apex?
It's not uncommon to trail the brake all the way to the apex sometimes.

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+1, depending on the track/corner you will trail it past the apex...


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Covering the front brake all the way through the apex?
I do trail-brake as far as I can, if carrying a lot of speed into the turn.
In this case I'm already off the brake...I cover the brake with one finger 99% of the time unless I'm going WOT in a straight. I get ish from everyone for it when they see pics. Just an old habit.

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BTW, you can know just leave the little mirror posts screwed in and just take the actual mirror itself off, right? :) I'd be afraid the front fairing might go flopping or something if not bolted down


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BTW, you can know just leave the little mirror posts screwed in and just take the actual mirror itself off, right? :) I'd be afraid the front fairing might go flopping or something if not bolted down

I don't like re-adjusting my mirrors.
The fairing stay should hold it in place. It doesn't move when I take the mirrors off.

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whoa on the trailbraking through the apex.

it's a tricky situation to do it, simply because you're taking the front tire (and your front suspension) closer to it's limit. You're asking it to give you grip to turn, AND to brake. On a cold tire, lowside is possible. Even the GP and SBK guys do it....and that's about the only thing we have in common with them...lol.

I very rarely ever trailbrake through the apex, simply because at the apex, you're supposed to be on the gas already (maintenance throttle) and ready to hit the exit marker with the throttle open.

Trailbraking using the front brake is tricky and it just isn't the normal thing to do.

There's braking point, corner entry, apex, corner exit....every good trackday organization puts cones out to mark those points, FOLLOW THEM. Get your braking done BEFORE making the other decisions.

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whoa on the trailbraking through the apex...
I'm off the brake by the apex. Those were his words, not mine.



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...and STOP BABYSITTING THAT BRAKE!
Hey, you sound like my MSF instructor I'm gonna start using my middle finger, so if anyone says something about it I can say I'm givin' them the "bird."

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Looking good man! I love threads like this, inspires me to push harder. I only have 2 track days so hopefully I can look as good as you on my 4th.
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Looking good man! I love threads like this, inspires me to push harder. I only have 2 track days so hopefully I can look as good as you on my 4th.
Thanks Kinney! I'm lucky to ride with a group of very experienced people, so I had a lot of help before I actually hit the track, and at the track.
My advice is not to push too hard at the track. Concentrate on your BP, RPs for braking, turn-in and exit, and your lines. Everything will come together if you follow those tips. I usually only run about 70% at the track. When I push it too hard my lines start going to shite. Concentrate on being fluid/smooth and the speed will come naturally.

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