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Leather knee pucks?

I was trying to save some money the other day when I was out buying knee pucks at Knee draggers store. Turned out the pucks that are $30 are 100% leather. Cool I thought to my self as I never had pucks of this nature before. Long story short, I went out to test these things before my track day on Saturday and well. Put my knee down and just about pulled my crotch muscle off the bike. The bikes reaction was to dip harder down with this drag from my knee. Not to mention the horrific smell that protruded from the now melted leather puck that was smoking from the drag. Whatís the point of these things? Anyone like this reaction when you put your knee down? Is this an advantage I donít know about?

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Dude..the fact that they smoke is the cool part.

Also, leather pucks want to be put down at speed. Touching them down on the street of all places for the first time will be a little rough.

The bike should not react from touching your knee down. If it does then you need to get off the bike more. Touching your knee down shouldn't be a deliberate move. It should just naturally happen from your speed and lean angle.

Once you touch them down a few times and break the surface you will find out they are actually quite smooth. And they also will outlast plastic pucks.

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If they feel like they're pulling your legs off, you're planking your knee down too hard.

Skiiiiiim the knee. Or let it touch lightly, then pick it up.

And I agree, the smoking *is* cool. :p And it smells like you've got a barbecue going on!
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holy crap! where has quasi been?!?!
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holy crap! where has quasi been?!?!
I been racin', biatch! Ain't got no time for conversatin' on them intarweb forums!

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I have been using the leather puck for a few months now. I don't like how they grip the ground at low speeds.
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So my knee is not to take up some of my weight when I am in full lean? I thought that pushing your knee off the ground also let you corner longer too at high speeds. This could change my entire corner speed setup.

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Your knee isn't meant to be a tri-pod. It indicates your lean angle and is to lower your COG (center of gravity) which in turn allows you to push harder on the edge of the tire.

I used to lean super hard on my knee and realized I wasnt doing myself any favors and at the same time, certain tracks use more knee draggin than others. You can still spend extended amounts of time on your knee, but don't try to unload all the weight through it into the pavement.

Having your knee on the ground can also save you in the event you start to lowside, by pushing off of it in an effort to save it. I was able to successfully do this once before when I touched the frame slider down and turned myself into a human tri-pod. (I have since cut the sliders down).

You don't have to lean hard on the knees to go fast.

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So my knee is not to take up some of my weight when I am in full lean? I thought that pushing your knee off the ground also let you corner longer too at high speeds. This could change my entire corner speed setup.

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I liked the leather pucks, they drag a little more but also give a better feel. I go through pucks way too quick, and it's because I plant my knee too hard and long, though I've been changing that.

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+1 on the no tripod idea. I've had a set of pucks for about a year now. Through countless trackdays (ok - 8). It's a guide...
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So my knee is not to take up some of my weight when I am in full lean? I thought that pushing your knee off the ground also let you corner longer too at high speeds. This could change my entire corner speed setup.
You do realize that by putting more weight on your knee, you are taking weight off the tires, reducing traction? Same effect as draggin hard parts, to a lesser extent.

Knee dragging is a *tool* to use to gauge lean angle, nothing more. Beyond that, it will not help you get through a corner more quickly.
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So long left turn with bike all the way over.
Ball of foot on peg pointed down.
Rear off seat and right arm almost straight.
Head not over tank but aimed towards ground.
So I would than touch my knee down to see how much throttle I should give or if I need to back off a little?

I know my head needs to be down a little. So what else?

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Head not over tank but aimed towards ground.
Your head should NEVER be down..never never never...

When you are coming through turn you should already know whats on the ground in front of you since you saw it coming before you even got there. By the time you are half way through that turn, breaking through the apex, you should have your head looking down track..You have to look to see where you want to go, and you can't do it to the best of your ability if you're focusing on where you are instead of where you're going.

You might mean having your head down as in trying to stay behind the screen with a compact body but you should never look at the ground. Your eyes should always be focusing down the track on the next turn and what is ahead.

Next time you go out try to make an effort to look and see the next turn while exiting the existing one. It might take a while to get used to but you will find it makes it much easier to drive hard through and out of turns.

Looks at these pictures and you can see that Jeff Wood (current FUSA points leader and resident NHIS fast guy) is looking up track at the next turn as hes completing the current one.


not the greatest example but just a kickass picture



Last one of me looking up track as I am exiting the turn..The clear visor helps to be able to see where I am actually looking

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It's not that I am looking at the ground as I look at the next marker, I just thought you were to get your head close to the ground but over the tank too.

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I just broke in my Wiz Racing leather sliders yesterday, and I love them!! Great feel, much better than my plastic sliders. Plus they look *too* cool when they're scuffed!! ;) Can get 'em here: http://www.wizracing.co.uk/main/
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Awesome, I'm glad you like the wiz sliders
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I still like to buy from www.Sliderwoman.com they are cheep

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I guess these would have to be the ultimate in leather sliders.

http://www.wizracing.co.uk/main/modu...howpage&pid=10

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Thats a hell of a slider! Especially at 126 USD!!!!

I just emailed them to ask if they have a stateside distributor..and if not do they want one. I'm sure some afficiandos that have money to burn would buy them!

Oh buggers. I just realized that slider woman sells all their other pucks. Oh well. 5 minute idea. ( unless I could get an exclusive on the leather ones!)

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Good luck with the distributorship :)
I'm over there next month so I'll see if I can get some pictures of the new developments ;-)
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