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what class to run??

I was wondering what kind of class i should run in ccs. by looking at my sig, would someone give me a good idea as to what would be the best class to run with what i currently have done to my bike?

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dude, what you have done to your bike has absolutely nothing to do with what class you run in. Have you done any trackdays yet????

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actually, in a way I guess it does. Different classes have different requirements about what can be done to your bike modification wise, but don't think you're just going to be automatically faster because of that stuff.

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i understand that i won't necessarily be faster with that stuff, but i am confused between supersport, superbike. which one would my bike perform best in? I have a total of 3 track days last sat, sun and mon. at jennings. onthe second day i ran a 1:26:19. I know that is good for a first time ever on a track. just need some advice on where i would be most competitive.

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Dude, that is flying for your first time. I'm sure some of the guys that race will chime in and let you know more about bike requirements etc.

Have you checked out CCS website???

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the website is not the most user friendly. it doesn't give lap times of the am classes. I was thinking supersport... but superbike seems to be where its at. i just don't want to get in over my head... ya know?

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If you go Superbike there are a lot more mods alowed in that class and with that better riders. I would start with the supersport, and see how that goes

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I run mostly CMRA, but raced one CCS event this year. Middleweight Superbike, Middleweight Supersport, and Middleweight GP. I believe there are others, but that was the three races I did.
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See if you can get your hands on the CCS rule book and then choose your classes from what your bike fits in to. If I were you I'd race one superbike race and one supersport race and see which class you feel more comfurtable in for the future. They'll know you are a newb and will watch out for you.

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novice racer on a 1000 has very little classes to choose from.

also go to mylaps/com and look to see what the wera novices are running in the ASS class and you will get to see where you will be lap time wise...1:26's are middle pack and back.

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i am not running a 1000 at the track. but if 1:26 is middle pack and back, i have some work to do. i think i might go with supersport. just b/c i am a beginner. i can't afford to run 2 classes.

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run as many classes as you can.........if you can only do one it really doesn't matter which you do.........same riders, same bikes. The guys that are legal(and there are few) run in superbike too. THe guys with superbike legal stuff run in supersport too. If you only do one, make it the gto race cause its 9 laps all the other races are 6 laps I think.
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I race in both the Middle Weight and Heavy Weight class. I race at NHIS where a 600 can compete with larger bikes because the track is atight and twisty. Very technical and short straights....

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My philosophy is that when you start you should race in every class your bike is eligible for and that you can afford. At Jennings the bike isn't as important as the rider, the lap record used to be on a 250 GP bike, now it's a liter bike so you should be able to compete machine wise regardless. In order of importance (IMO) :

GTU*
MW supersport*
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GTO
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UNL superbike
MW GP
UNL GP

If you only do a few, the ones with the asterisk is where you'll match up best. MW SS has always been the craziest class so be prepared to get spanked for a while. Don't get discouraged and always work on your riding and not your bike (if possible :)
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why is mw ss the craziest?? is it b/c of the inexperienced riders in the am class? I went to the races today at jennings, they said that am mw ss is running 21's-27's. does that sound right to you?

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why is mw ss the craziest?? is it b/c of the inexperienced riders in the am class? I went to the races today at jennings, they said that am mw ss is running 21's-27's. does that sound right to you?

thats right....... you would be fine as far as pace.... You will probably pick up some pace during the races..........its just a little more intense. 21's is gettin it pretty good. Im stuck in the 22's. The am mw ss class is usually big and usually filled with a lot of young riders with a lot of..............................we'll call it enthusiasm
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By craziest I mean that a lot of the guys are intent on being stars. I'm not throwing stones because I've been there, it's just that sometimes you get some "overzealous" individuals in that class (also been there, as evidenced by 15 crashes my novice year). Also, there's a handful of guys who while they could ride in mw superbike, mw gp, etc.,that only ride in supersport because that's their class and they concentrate on it... those are usually VERY fast riders. That's why you'll usually finish a little better in SB and GP even though, theoretically, your bike doesn't match up as well for those classes.
One piece of advice, however. When you're starting I'd suggest picking a tire and going with it. By that I mean DOT vs. Slicks. There are pronounced differences in turning, grip and feedback between the two and you don't want to make your job any harder. Try to think down the road what you want to do and go that way. If you want to battle the best riders, and have the most chance of making a few $ , concentrate on the DOTs and supersport. If you want to ride a built machine with few limits on mods and just generally go as fast as you can then go with slicks and concentrate on those classes.
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I race 5 classes a weekend. MW & HW Supersport, MW & HW Superbike & MW GP. There are others I could do but I'm not spending any more, plus 5 races is pretty good.

The key is to pre-register if your track/series allows for it. This makes it so you can do more races at a lower cost. And you don't spend as much time in registration when you get to the track.

I have won superbike races with just a slip-on pipe and nothing more. It's all about what is between your ears and not neccesarily what you have into the bike. You can run slicks if you want in Superbike but a majority of us are also running supersport and are not swapping wheelsets between races. If I had a 3rd set of wheels I might consider it, but it's just another cost.

It's going to be a big effort to go out there and only do A race in the entire weekend. At least do one on Saturday and one on Sunday. And as a novice, your time might be best spend doing GT races since they are longer and you will get twice as much tracktime (though the races usually cost twice as much).

As far as your bike is concerned, it really doesn't matter what class you pick to start. A thought might be picking a race in the middle of the afternoon so that you can watch the experts before and after your race. As a novice I used to go watch all the expert races I could to watch their lines, shifting points and turn in/braking points so that I could apply it to myself.

Also check out www.penguinracing.com Eric Wood teaches a winter class at Jennings and Homestead. He usually averages around 15th place in AMA SuperBike as a privateer. He also happens to own WoodCraft.

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