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Nicky Hayden/ Qatar spoiler info

I know there was allready a thread started about the race, I just wanted to shed the light on a few things about our boy Nicky.

For all those that believe that he doesn't belong in GP, and or on the Repsol bike, please allow me to break it down.

Between 2nd and 6th place there is a total points gap of eleven points. With Hayden in the number five spot down a mere nine points from number two.

This is his third year in the GP's, where as Max has been doing this since he was a wee little lad on the 125's. If this is not a testament as to Hayden's abilities than I don't know what is. It seems that everyone is trying to compare him to Rossi in a way that he should be winning race after race after race. Rossi is a phenom, and we will probably never see anything else like him in our lifetime. I'm willing to bet he walks away no lower than number three on the season, he just needs to keep riding the way he is.

If you still don't think he belongs on the Repsol ride, or in Gp's for that matter, I'm dying to hear why.
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hayden is working his butt off if he can finish on the poduim the last races he would have runner up position i really hope he does so evreybody that gives him crap or talks crap would shut the F up



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I hope he can keep his ride for next year. If he keeps riding like he has in the past few races hopefully we will see him back in orange and black next year.
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The difference in this race than all the other races is that he admitted to pushing and going beyond what was expected from him, which is what he needs to do.

That was the only problem I thought he lacked--the willingness to push himself, and not being content.
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Maybe the thought of losing his GP ride was all it took.
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i've got the feeling Biaggi is the one about to lose his ride. Pedrosa's a lock, and with Nicky taking the US GP, i think Honda would rather have him around.




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i don't think he is going to lose his GP ride, he signed a contrack with repsol for 2006, along side Daniel Pedrosa. But Nicky has the potential to become a world champion he just has to find that right ability in himself
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I think he needs a kick in the pants from Repsol for leaving it so late! The last few races he's shown that he can actually push it and be up there, so what was he doing for the rest of the season?! On the strength of this last few outings he probably does deserve a Repsol bike, and more so if he can keep it up for the last three races.

Does Biaggi deserve one? No. He's been a waste of space on the best bikes in the paddock for a while now... time to quit before he becomes another KR Jr.

Does Pedrosa deserve one over Chris Vermuelen? Now *that* is an interesting debate. Pedrosa looked like another Rossi, but he's hardly had it all his own way in the last few 250cc outings. Vermuelen's not a GP rider, but he's got "big bike" experience. We'll see how the Camel Honda suits him in the next three races and who knows, maybe we'll see him on a factory-supported Honda next year.
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The Qatar race was great, the curse is still alive and well for Sete.

Melandri worked super hard to get ahead and stay ahead of Rossi.

Capirossi, what happened there?

and Nick, I think he's finding his groove. As a 3rd year GP rider he is where he should be, and still successful and improving. He did a great job and it was exciting to see him racing hard within the top four spots to finally finish 3rd.

Not sure what happened with CE and Hopkins, I'm sure he was disappointed.
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Nicky already has in contract in place for next year so that has nothing to do with it. I think he finally tasted victory again and now he's willing to push that little bit extra to try and taste it again. I hope he can get another win before the end of the season.
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Hayden is talented but I still believe he is lacking what it takes. I wish Hopper would get a ride on a real bike.....he has some talent but won't be able to show what he has until he gets on a good ride.

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how does hayden not have what it takes? hes done more before he turned 20 than most old guys have their whole career.
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how does hayden not have what it takes? hes done more before he turned 20 than most old guys have their whole career.
The AMA and MotoGP are entirely different worlds. I would be happy if he proves me wrong as I would like to see an American as Champ again, but I don't believe he will be the next American MotoGP Champion.

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regarding Pedrosa and Vermuelen, Pedrosa's the better fit as he has more experience on the tracks they run on (i don't know the WSBK schedule well, but i don't think they run the same tracks like 250 and GP) that's Hayden's weakness right now i think, which is why he dominated Seca imo.




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regarding Pedrosa and Vermuelen, Pedrosa's the better fit as he has more experience on the tracks they run on (i don't know the WSBK schedule well, but i don't think they run the same tracks like 250 and GP) that's Hayden's weakness right now i think, which is why he dominated Seca imo.

thats a good point. i think the track knowledge has alot to do with success as a racer. some riders can probably adapt well, and some, while they may be dominant at familiar tracks, have difficulty getting used to a new field.



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The AMA and MotoGP are entirely different worlds. I would be happy if he proves me wrong as I would like to see an American as Champ again, but I don't believe he will be the next American MotoGP Champion.
who would you put your money on for the next american to take the title? anyone in the current line-up or do you think itll take a new rider not yet around?

I think everyone would agree that with the very big exception being valentino, the rest of the paddock is pretty much neck and neck. not to take anything away from the champ... .but could you imagine if the motoGP line-up didnt have rossi? I almost want him to jump ship, because lets face it- he doesent really have much to prove. GP racing would be so exciting to watch without him winning every race. and also nicky is the shite, just for his personality's sake, i hope he does get at least one GP title, and with his attitude and if he keeps a dominant bike, i think he will.
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hayden is posed to take runner up if not third in points for the year thats outstanding for this being his thrid year. Watch out for youngster casey stoner to break onto the scene in the next year or two, hes got some potential.
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I think Pedrosa's size is going to hurt him though when he moves up to GP. He's so small. As far as Hopper, I agree with Tuna, I'd love to see him on a better bike. He has a lot of talent that I don't think people get to see because he's on that Suzuki.

I do think Nicky is talented though. I think he knows the tracks now and if he can just keep his team for longer than a year he'll be doing much better. Having a new crew each year has to be hard, especially when he and his crew last year didn't even speak the same language! Talk about having problems communicating.
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especially when he and his crew last year didn't even speak the same language! Talk about having problems communicating.
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hayden is posed to take runner up if not third in points for the year thats outstanding for this being his thrid year. Watch out for youngster casey stoner to break onto the scene in the next year or two, hes got some potential.
That's been my point all along. I know the world is full of "shoulda been" and "could have", but had he not crashed out of third place earlier in the year and again out of fifth place he would be sitting number 2 right now.

People are putting too much on his shoulders. Just because he's on the best bike doesn't amount to anything. Experience is the key. And for him to be in the position he's in, against a grid that has raced these circuits thier whole career, is an amazing feet.
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I know there was allready a thread started about the race, I just wanted to shed the light on a few things about our boy Nicky.

For all those that believe that he doesn't belong in GP, and or on the Repsol bike, please allow me to break it down.

Between 2nd and 6th place there is a total points gap of eleven points. With Hayden in the number five spot down a mere nine points from number two.

This is his third year in the GP's, where as Max has been doing this since he was a wee little lad on the 125's. If this is not a testament as to Hayden's abilities than I don't know what is. It seems that everyone is trying to compare him to Rossi in a way that he should be winning race after race after race. Rossi is a phenom, and we will probably never see anything else like him in our lifetime. I'm willing to bet he walks away no lower than number three on the season, he just needs to keep riding the way he is.

If you still don't think he belongs on the Repsol ride, or in Gp's for that matter, I'm dying to hear why.
People probably thought we'd never see another Mick D. either.....Rossi is great, but I've got at least another 60 years on this earth and I'd be willing to bet I'll see his records broken at least 2 times over in that time (if bike racing is even still around then).

Nicky is doing really well, and I think he'll develop into a serious championship contender within a couple years.......IF.......he stays on a good ride. Look at Hopper, all that talent but on a crappy machine. Dicing for 10th place most of the time. I think Nicky need Vale to retire, before he or anyone else has a real shot at the championship. Before this season, people thought others had a legitimate chance (Gibernau) but look what happened. Rossi won 10 races this year.
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I think that every rider in the paddock has the dumb luck of having to ride against Rossi. Every single one of those guys is a fantastic rider, they just happen to be up against the (so far) best ever.

I think that Hayden can be a competetor. The last few races he has been there with the front. What would have happened if he and Gibbers hadnt come together at Malaysia? His tire probably would have come apart and he could have been right there to fight for third place. Im glad he is finding his groove finally. If/when Rossi retires, Id like to see Burgess work with Hayden or Hopkins.

As for Hopkins, resigning with Suzuki... Hmm. I can understand his reasoning, which is that he doesnt want to have done all the work at Suzuki only to see someone else reap the rewards. But at the same time, I cant imagine that he thinks Suzuki was magically able to fix all their problems and suddenly compete with Yamaha and Honda. I cant see that. Im assuming that he wants to see what Suzuki takes with them to the 880cc or 800cc. But I feel that if Suzuki isnt competative right off the bat, Hopkins will be going to whoever has the best ride off the bat. You can only be loyal and lose for so long.

And what about Kenny? He did beat the unbeatable Rossi. In fact, he is the ONLY guy to have beaten Rossi. Sure it was Rossi's rookie season, but he did beat him. Rookie or no, thats something that no one else can lay claim to.

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regarding Pedrosa and Vermuelen, Pedrosa's the better fit as he has more experience on the tracks they run on (i don't know the WSBK schedule well, but i don't think they run the same tracks like 250 and GP) that's Hayden's weakness right now i think, which is why he dominated Seca imo.
did you see Vermuelen double up? i think he deserves the ride. I'm not taking anything away from pedrosa, he'll get his chance. just not now.

hayden is doing decent. and decent only. IMHO, the only reason he dominated so throughly at Laguna Seca is cuz no one else knew the track, not because he did. I think Melandri or Sete would win a rossi-less MotoGP. no way sete can have two seasons this bad in a row. besides, hayden ahd THE bike. there's 2 other hondas in front of him, one of them being the much maligned Biaggi. My $$$$ is on Colin Edwards as the american favorite to win the GP title.
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My $$$$ is on Colin Edwards as the american favorite to win the GP title.
I'll take that bet in a heartbeat. maybe if Colin hadn't gone and F'ed things up by having children. he just doesn't push that hard and always has an excuse now.....his days of being on the box consistently are over

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I'll take that bet in a heartbeat. maybe if Colin hadn't gone and F'ed things up by having children. he just doesn't push that hard and always has an excuse now.....his days of being on the box consistently are over

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You think thats part of Hopkin's problem? Im assuming that the cutie in Faster is his gf. I know he doesnt have kids or anything, but can having your gf at the track and traveling with you all the time take your edge off?

I heard that when Rossi got third at Laguna, went to the VIP area, grabbed a cocktail and started chatting up pornstar Brianna Banks. Thats total rockstar right there. I guess its true, everyone reall does want to be a rockstar.

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hayden is doing decent. and decent only. .
Nine points out of second place in his third year in GP's and he's only decent? He's 24 years old and has had two seasons to learn the track against a grid of 500cc champ here, 125 and 250 champ there, WSBK champ over there etc etc etc. You are spoiled by the fruits of Rossi winning race after race after race. Not all world champs win 10-11 races a season. If you take Rossi out of the picture there wouldn't even be one racer with 5 race wins this season. Being the best is being consistant, and Hayden had the misfortunes of crashing out of two races this year, one of them from third place. Take the 16 points he would have recieved for third place with the 11 points for his crash out of fifth place and you have the second best rider in the world.
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You think thats part of Hopkin's problem? Im assuming that the cutie in Faster is his gf. I know he doesnt have kids or anything, but can having your gf at the track and traveling with you all the time take your edge off?

I heard that when Rossi got third at Laguna, went to the VIP area, grabbed a cocktail and started chatting up pornstar Brianna Banks. Thats total rockstar right there. I guess its true, everyone reall does want to be a rockstar.
Hopkins is now single from my understanding (I read somewhere that they broke up, may have been the WERA board).

I think Hoppers problem is he is on a peice of **** bike, with a development team that couldn't make a tricycle go fast.
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Hopkins is now single from my understanding (I read somewhere that they broke up, may have been the WERA board).

I think Hoppers problem is he is on a peice of **** bike, with a development team that couldn't make a tricycle go fast.

I figured that its mostly the bike, but I figured no harm in asking.

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