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ESPN Needs to open their eyes?

So I watch espn everyday morning and night. I notice they cover drag racing/ nascar/indy and all that other crap (not realy crap just alot of stuff).
My ? is why dont they cover ama racing/ world superbike or atleast MOTO GP?
Do they not know that MOTO GP is just as big as NASCAR?
think about how many more people would watch espn and think about those kick ass words they can use in the highlights.
ex:
"getting it sideways"
"dragging elbow even"
"this is going to hurt"
"ya... he's fast
and the best one yet "as cool as the other side of the pillow"

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Its all bout money.. Now in 07 Nascar races are coming to ESPN.. Nascar is the biggest money maker right now....

But didnt espn have motorcycle programs back in the day?
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i heard on a local radio show Nascar was bigger than baseball and hockey
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We all know Nascar is HUGE. Its not bigger than baseball though. my point is that they cover Drag racing, you know striaght line 250mph. Moto gp attracts 100,000 fans at its events when drag racing get 5,000.

Besides theres mad drama going on in motogp to. like Rossi hates MAX and Sete Hates Rossi. Max doesn't have a ride. Hayden being a little biotch to the fans. Caparossi going for surgery after a crash.
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Have you ever seen that vid of Dave Dispain (disdain? I dunno) while he's doing his radio call in show dealy thingy?




ANYHOO........................



He completely blows up when somebody asks him that exact same question. His response was that's what the majority of the viewers want to see.



(The question was about SPEED and other sports shows, stations)

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Despain...................got it.


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I saw the video before its f**king funny...
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We all know Nascar is HUGE. Its not bigger than baseball though. my point is that they cover Drag racing, you know striaght line 250mph. Moto gp attracts 100,000 fans at its events when drag racing get 5,000.

Besides theres mad drama going on in motogp to. like Rossi hates MAX and Sete Hates Rossi. Max doesn't have a ride. Hayden being a little biotch to the fans. Caparossi going for surgery after a crash.

MotoGp has an international draw with limited but growing US appeal. From a marketing / promotions standpoint Nascar is/has grown so rapidly that is on par with MLB and the NFL.

Your reference for gauging the overall interest of Nascar is somewhat limited being in California (the coast). In the Midwest - Nascar and Drag racing are huge. And what sets it apart as a marketing and media giant is that the "average" and "die hard" fan are both usually well into their fifties and sixties and thus have more disposable income than those interested in the more "cosmopolitan sports". When a Nascar event comes to town, its like the hillbilly Superbowl, that unforutnalety occurs umpteen times a year.
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You know what is second to Nascar... Monster truck racing.. I couldn't believe how many people in North America each year go to monster truck racing.. :icon_lol:
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Speaking of Monster truck racing... turn on speed
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SportsCenter did have a blurb on the Seca GP race the week after it ran. was cool to see SOMETHING on it




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It is really ashame, but thats what roadracing needs in order to grow, national attention, and not SPEED because their coverage just plain out sucks
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It is really ashame, but thats what roadracing needs in order to grow, national attention, and not SPEED because their coverage just plain out sucks
SPEED coverage sucks? you don't like the commercials every 4-5 minutes? lol..

I agree w/the comment that Moto GP is an international thing and the drag/nascar are really just in the US..GP does have a bigger following but thats b/c it goes across the globe..i think nascar will be covered better than GP until GP starts having more races in the states..its hard to get as excited about watching something on tv as it is to get excited about watching it in person
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This is very similar to cycling in my opinion. Cycling internationally is a huge sport, obviously in Europe, but no one really cared about it until Lance Armstrong came around. Now the Tour De France is a HUGE tv event in the US. I'm thinking something like a Lance Armstrong story needs to roll around for people to get into MotoGP and similiar bike events.

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This is very similar to cycling in my opinion. Cycling internationally is a huge sport, obviously in Europe, but no one really cared about it until Lance Armstrong came around. Now the Tour De France is a HUGE tv event in the US. I'm thinking something like a Lance Armstrong story needs to roll around for people to get into MotoGP and similiar bike events.
I still say nobody in the US cares about cycling. Lance is a good story, so they follow what he's doing. I'll bet next year's TdF will have very low TV ratings, just like it did before Lance was a media star.

There are lots of races other than the TdF, but nobody in the US knows about them...they only know the TdF because Lance does it, and Lance is all over the news.

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some people know the name Nick(y) hayden...wasn't he on Leno's show a little while back...but it'll take a while for the sport to become famous..or at least here in the US
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I still say nobody in the US cares about cycling. Lance is a good story, so they follow what he's doing. I'll bet next year's TdF will have very low TV ratings, just like it did before Lance was a media star.

There are lots of races other than the TdF, but nobody in the US knows about them...they only know the TdF because Lance does it, and Lance is all over the news.
That is true, but it definitely sparked more of an interest here in the US. There was definitely more media coverage than before.

If only people knew how awesome riding is. There is a local tv show up here in New England called Rides. Its mostly a show on cruisers but they just had a show on trackday.

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That is true, but it definitely sparked more of an interest here in the US. There was definitely more media coverage than before.

If only people knew how awesome riding is. There is a local tv show up here in New England called Rides. Its mostly a show on cruisers but they just had a show on trackday.
For sure there was more coverage than before.

The problem is that real motorcycling doesn't make good TV. All we ever see on TV is "Shock Value" stories on the local news about some dumbasses doing stunts on the freeway and all that "outlaw rebel" cruiser crap. Real motorcyclists just don't make good TV, I guess.

Even on "enthusiast" channels like Speed, what do we get? You get to see Michelle Smith's dried up cleavage on American Thunder. You get to see Corbin's "Infomercial for the sponsor of the week" aka "Ride On" (and IMO, it was one of the better shows). You get Texas Hardtails. Every now and then they'll accidentally let Greg White do a 2 minute story on something that normal people are doing on their motorcycles like the Femoto ladies-only track day, the guys running medical supplies to the Congo on dual-sports, and other stuff like that.

I heard Dave Despain's rant and while it was both true and hilarious, it pissed me off because he's right. As a country, we don't like motorsports unless it involves rednecks chasing each other around in circles in what basically amounts to a 200mph traffic jam. Most of the NASCAR fans I know say the best thing about the racing is the crashes and the politics between the racers.

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Using your analogy about the huge international draw of Moto GP, I take it we should put soccer on NBC on Sundays right? It has more fans that American football. As much as I like Moto GP, like everyone has said, it doesnt have the draw that Nascar does in the states. Maybe someday, but not today.
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so your going to tell me that even after Moto GP sold out laguna for the 1st time in it's history.Theres no demand for it? thats 250,000 people coming to see the event and another couple million watching it.

I'm not saying GP is bigger than NASCAR. what I am saying is that they show dragg racing as well.
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we all know where the action and talent is...and what has the bigger following..but in reality what brings more money to US companies is racing that uses parts and stuff associated w/the US..and racing that crosses the country and has races all over the country...I love watching Moto GP racing but the fact is is that they are all foreign made products, running on foreign tracks, by mostly foreign sponsors...which means its brings little or no money to US companies other than on race days like those surrounding the race at Leguna Seca
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Hayden being a little biotch to the fans.
My wife and I saw him at VIR 2 years ago when he came to watch his brothers during a Motogp break and he is such a little Pr!*$. There was a young couple standing near the paddock and when he walked by the young woman asked if she could have his autograph. The punk just rolled his eyes and walked away like she wasnt even there. I just wanted to smack him.

But back to the subject. I doubt we will start seeing more coverage unless someone kick starts another network. I had heard that someone was putting a cycle network together but that has been over a year and I have seen nothing since. I guess It would help if we could get more Americans in the World scene. I would love to see Carmichael and some other Americans duking it out in the FIM Motocross scene. It really is some great racing. Nascartv has finally put a few events on the past couple of Tuesdays.
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i don't really want motorcycle racing to get that huge. yeah, it would be cool to see more of it on tv...but i like that its a niche thing. riders get it, others don't.

the thing about nascar is that you don't have to be a race fan to like it. pick a guy, buy a t-shirt and a hat, learn what loose and tight mean, and your an expert.

MotoGP fans understand race craft, we know that late braking a guy from 200mph into turn one is crazy even if it doesn't look that amazing to a casual observer. we know that a pass is set up 10 corners earlier. we know whats its like to have your brain wired to the rear contact patch while driving out of a 3rd gear sweeper. we know the feeling you get in the pit of your stomach when a crest at your exit sends your bars into a wiggle and your ******* into a pucker. we know that after its all over the racers should talk about the race and not Pepsi.

let the masses be distracted by ciculating billboards and kit bikes with $20k paint jobs. that just makes what we have that much better.



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SportsCenter did have a blurb on the Seca GP race the week after it ran. was cool to see SOMETHING on it
True, but how much of that was driven by Americans finishing 1-2. I would have been curious to see what would have been highlighted if no American had finished on the podium.

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the thing about nascar is that you don't have to be a race fan to like it. pick a guy, buy a t-shirt and a hat, learn what loose and tight mean, and your an expert.

MotoGP fans understand race craft, we know that late braking a guy from 200mph into turn one is crazy even if it doesn't look that amazing to a casual observer. we know that a pass is set up 10 corners earlier. we know whats its like to have your brain wired to the rear contact patch while driving out of a 3rd gear sweeper. we know the feeling you get in the pit of your stomach when a crest at your exit sends your bars into a wiggle and your ******* into a pucker. we know that after its all over the racers should talk about the race and not Pepsi.
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