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Safety Wire question for Galfer brake line banjo bolts on 2005 600RR

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I want to safety wire the banjo bolts on my Galfer braided brake lines and was wondering if anyone can shed some light on what people can and can't do regarding these particular banjo bolts. The banjo bolts near the brake calipers are a little different in that the brake line runs inline, parralel with the bolt, instead of perpendicular which allows for drilling in the hex head. I can't drill in the 2005 galfer brake lines banjo bolt at the brake calipers because then brake fluid will leak out.

Check the pics below. I want to safety wire the banjo bolts at the brake resevoir and at the brake calipers.

1) Can I just drill holes on the hex bolt on the banjo bolt near the brake resevoir? I put arrows on the pic below for the area I'm talking about.



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Here are the pics of the banjo bolts at the brake calipers. Has anyone safety wired these bolts on an 05 600rr? I know if I try to drill through the hex part, brake fluid for sure will go through. Should I use RTV Silicone somehow instead?



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Any reason in particular that you feel the need to safetywire these bolts?
I can't say that I've ever seen that before.

Otherwise, I would assume you could drill it as you would a normal bolt. Staying close to the edges and away from the hollow center (at least on the caliper side bolt, the bango bolt you should be good).

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hey rocketjockey,

the rule books for the organizations I run in say that any oil lines need positive clamping or securely fastened. I assume this would mean the brake fluid lines also and I wouldn't want those things coming off as well. I forgot how thick the head is before the holes and I don't want to take any chances.

I was wondering if anyone had any experience safety wiring those particular banjo bolts on the brake calipers. I did read though from the rule book you can use a sealant for the brake caliper bolts. I was wondering if someone can tell me what brand they actually used and where they applied it.

WERA rule book excerpt: "brake caliper bolts may be secured by silicone glue or H/D weather-strip adhesive in lieu of wiring".
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WERA rule book excerpt: "brake caliper bolts may be secured by silicone glue or H/D weather-strip adhesive in lieu of wiring".
I'd be willing to bet that they are talking about two seperate things here. They most likely not counting your brake lines as part of the "oil lines". So I wouldn't worry about lock wiring them. I've never seen that done, so I can't be of any help, sorry brotha.

As for safety wiring your brake caliper bolts (the two big bolts holding the caliper to the forks), I would suggest blue loctite over lockwire, simply because it is a bit quicker to back out when needed. Like having to change pads between sessions or endurance races.

This stuff is a racers' best friend:
http://www.loctiteproducts.com/produ...id=48&plid=153

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ay, I'm getting myself confused with brake caliper and brake banjo. I see what you're talking about for quickness in changing the brake pads. I will have to ask specifics for each of those race organizations or just reread the rules books. Thanks rocketjockey.
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I think you only have to do claped bolts ( the ones that hold it in place)
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Thanks zus600rr, I'm going to just do the caliper bolts and wrap wire around the banjo bolt from one caliper bolt to the other. I'll post pics so that anyone else that has a similar question can get some ideas. Thanks guys.
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I did the banjo bolts on mine, but specifically avoided the superbike lines because of this. Not sure if it's required for tech but not a bad idea. I drilled the banjo bolts at an angle and the bolts are aluminum and easily drilled

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I have the Galfer SBK lines and have the banjo at the master cylinder and the other fitting at the caliper safety wired. I'll see about posting some pics later.
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If you're doing WSMC they need to be wired OR a dab of RTV applied. Personally, I just put a dab of RTV on mine.
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Thanks for the info guys.

parapuke,
when you get a chance, i'd love to check out the pics to see what you did.


rrwantr,
yes, I'm doing WSMC. Where can I pick up the RTV and do you just apply where the banjo mounts to seal the connection?
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Any auto store or walmart will have RTV silicone. Just put a good smear of it across from the bolt head to the receiving part. It's not to seal it. It's to help keep it from backing out from vibration etc.


edit: one bike I did drill the flat on the upper banjo bolt with no problem. The other I applied RTV.
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Thanks rrwantr. I'll go find some of that RTV silicone. If WSMC accepts that, that should be fine.
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Thanks rrwantr. I'll go find some of that RTV silicone. If WSMC accepts that, that should be fine.
You'll want it for some of the hose clamps that you need too...I safety wired most of those, but there were a couple that were just too hard to reach, so a dab of silicone had to do.
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Awesome, going to work on the bike again tonight.
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Sweet, thanks for the pics parapuke. For the banjo bolts at the caliper, you just tried to stay close to the flat parts of the hex bolt?
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Sweet, thanks for the pics parapuke. For the banjo bolts at the caliper, you just tried to stay close to the flat parts of the hex bolt?
It seems like those were pre marked for drilling if I recall right, but yes you don't want to go completely through but drill through the edge.
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Thanks for the info. I think I did see those predrill marks. I was wondering what that was for.
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