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Question Advice tracking a 250

Sup guys, I'm sure this topic has been covered at some point but I want my own thread and don't feel like necro'ing the archives.

So I've started giving some serious thought to picking up a dedicated track bike. I don't have the funds yet but I'm window shopping. I'd appreciate any advice you track whores have to offer ( maybe calling you whores isn't the best way to get advice).

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Initially I wanted to pick up a modern 600 because it's what I'm accustomed to both on the street and my very limited track experience. This would also be the justification I need to replace my RR with a more comfortable machine for commuting/touring. But I'll try not to digress here.

I started looking at used track bikes. All the ads that matched my criteria were out of my budget (basically not a whole lot cheaper than buying their street legal counterparts). I could look at much older bikes to save some money but don't want to deal with the potential problems of an older bike.

So... I started considering smaller bikes instead. At first, I thought it might not be as satisfying. After all, part of the reason I want to hit the track is to feel the rush. But the more I think about it the more I feel it's the right way to go. Here's my rationale...

a) Being a track day noob, a smaller bike will be more conducive to learning proper technique

b) A smaller bike will allow me to progressively explore the [my] limits of speed/traction in the corners without overwhelming myself

c) It's cheap. The bike is cheap. Parts are cheap. Tires are cheap. Gas is cheap. Cheap, cheap, cheap

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If a fantastic deal on a 600 track bike falls in my lap I will probably jump on it. Otherwise, I'm currently leaning toward a 250 or similar displacement.

Questions that come to mind now are:

- Tires. Is it wise to size up from the skinnies to something somewhat less skinny? Or will the OE dimensions give me plenty of room to lean into?

- Brakes. Immediate upgrade recommended or stockers ok for now?

That's all. I really just felt like chatting about it because I'm bored at work. Would love to hear your experiences if you track a smaller machine!
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Wanted to say this, I like your plan. If my funds come along with my limited budget, I'd love to have a 250 and use it at the track and/or around town. Also about being a better rider, my friend raced 600s a couple of seasons. His best finish was a top 10. However even he himself told me, "If I jumped on a 250 and raced on a 250 for one season I'd become faster."

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Thanks John. For now I'll most likely take my street bike until I can afford to buy a track machine. Either way, can't wait to get back out there!
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I'd suggest to take your street bike and get a glimpse of how comfortable you are on the track. Learning a new bike and new techniques while progressing can be a little overwhelming.
As far as upgrading the brakes/ tires go, that will depend on your experience and how far you'd like to push it. Unless it's a 2 stroke, you also need consider the fact that you'd most likely grow bored of the 250 in no time. I don't know, it's past my bedtime.
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That's my main concern, that I'll quickly grow bored of the 250. I'm not too worried about learning a new bike, I'll take my time to adjust. I figure if a 250 is what I can afford I'll track it for a while and then move back up to a 600 once I save a bit more. I dunno... we'll see how this season goes with the RR as I can't really afford to buy a second bike right now anyway. Thanks for your input man
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I'm not a track whore but I am in the same boat, what I decided is basically how I got to my 600: start small and don't make any permanent changes so when I decide I want more I can use it for commuting and track my 600 or something else.

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If you don't spend or dump too much into the 250 then it shouldn't be too hard to sell for not that much of a loss, if that.

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Just saw this the other day and to be honest, looks like a low maintenance track project. Fun as well on a small technical track. Not a 250, just saying
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If ur fast or find a 250 grid you wont get bored with the 250. For the most part its pretty close racing. Right now you can get a salvage titled kawi for 1500 throw a set of springs and emulators in the forks a gsxr shock race body work and clipons and boom there u go. I had 3k total and had a full prepped 250 full exhaust tuned clipons rearsets bodywork suspension and race rubber.
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And with 250 grids being a huge fad right now u can ride it and if its not your thing itll sell in no time
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Curious as to what tracks you plan on visiting this year?
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250's can be a lot of fun.
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If you think you'll be bored with a 250 on track see if you can do this then get back to us here.

A production 250 track prepped is a great cheap way to rack up track time & race. I was thinking of a dedicated track bike too. I like the idea of getting an older track prepped 600RR so my street and track bike are of the same type but I would probably have more fun and learn more riding a slower bike faster. One that I wouldn't cry about it taking a tumble now and then.

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I've seen that video many times, let's be honest here, do you really think that's an average 250? I bet there's a lot of money in that bike. You will cry about it, it doesn't matter what bike you crash.
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I picked up an old 1988 Hawk GT650 to race this year. Specifically to work on my corner speed. With small bikes you'll have to stay on the throttle longer, brake less and you are FORCED to learn how to go just as fast as 100hp bike without relying on power. There are a few advantages of having a smaller bike as well: Weight, tire life, cheap replacement parts and a huge grin on your face every time you pass a big bike on the outside.

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Not sure which tracks I plan to go to yet. Mosport is high on my list to check out. Calabogie looks nice but it's pretty far.
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I've seen that video many times, let's be honest here, do you really think that's an average 250? I bet there's a lot of money in that bike. You will cry about it, it doesn't matter what bike you crash.
that 250 has the important mod of all though...rider mod.

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Don't track something you are not willing to watch tumble down the track. Forgot which friend told me that or maybe its because a few of them have haha...

I have been looking into picking up a 125 2 stroke if I can find the right deal or just a used 250 4 stroke to really focus on fundamentals. Picking up a new bike(probably a multistrada) for street and travel duties so that leaves me time to really fix up my 600rr for track eventually.

I guess my question to you guys is which 250 would you reccomend picking up? What are some important mods? Me and my buddies race little pit bikes and those things are almost too much fun so I think competitive 250 riding would be fun.

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Don't track something you are not willing to watch tumble down the track. Forgot which friend told me that or maybe its because a few of them have haha...

I have been looking into picking up a 125 2 stroke if I can find the right deal or just a used 250 4 stroke to really focus on fundamentals. Picking up a new bike(probably a multistrada) for street and travel duties so that leaves me time to really fix up my 600rr for track eventually.

I guess my question to you guys is which 250 would you reccomend picking up? What are some important mods? Me and my buddies race little pit bikes and those things are almost too much fun so I think competitive 250 riding would be fun.
Only 2 250's come to mind, the ninja and the CBR. Ninja has dual front disc brakes, a little more power, and a higher top speed. CBR has fuel injection though...personally I'm thinking of going with a ninja 250 only I want a steering damper and when I had my cbr250r there were no mods available at the time and a tank slapper at 89 (top speed) scared the crap outta me.

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The ninjettes have single front disks. If ur gonna do anything seriously suggest fork springs and a shock and a set of pirellis and ur good to go.
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i wouldn't mind tracking a Ninja 250, best fun i had dicing with liter bikes, gives them a fighting chance. lolz.



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250s are a blast to ride, but I'm surprised nobody's mentioned an SV650 yet. They're plentiful, easy on tires, easy to ride, easy to work on, very forgiving of rider error, and there's a huge amount of support in the race community.

I picked up my 1st gen. with a GSXR front end, R1 monoblock calipers, Fox shock, full exhaust, bodywork and race tires for under $3k. I've since put a little more into it, but it's a great bike, and nothing really beats reeling in folks on liter bikes.

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250s are a blast to ride, but I'm surprised nobody's mentioned an SV650 yet. They're plentiful, easy on tires, easy to ride, easy to work on, very forgiving of rider error, and there's a huge amount of support in the race community.

I picked up my 1st gen. with a GSXR front end, R1 monoblock calipers, Fox shock, full exhaust, bodywork and race tires for under $3k. I've since put a little more into it, but it's a great bike, and nothing really beats reeling in folks on liter bikes.
I agree with you they're great bikes and I'd rather have one over a ninja 650 but aren't they more of a sport tourer?

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I've been tossing around the idea of getting a race ready 250 for a long time. Especially when I've been out at the track and I got railed around the outside by some kid.

Corner speed is addicting. I wasn't to obtain the level of corner speed that a 250 would when I owned my SV650 (Vtwin for those of you not aware of this bike), but I absolutely LOVED passing 600s and 1000s in the corners. They'd own me on the straights, but it didn't bother me. Takes very little skill to go WOT when you're straight up and down.

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I agree with you they're great bikes and I'd rather have one over a ninja 650 but aren't they more of a sport tourer?
Yeah, Suzuki originally designed it to be a budget entry-level naked bike. It's got a stout motor, an excellent chassis, and doesn't weigh much, so people figured out that upgrading the weak points (suspension, brakes) got you a great lightweight race bike. At the local tracks here, the fast guys are doing pretty amazing things on SVs.

I could go on, but if you're considering a Ninja 250 or 650 as a track bike, I'd take a good long look at an SV650 as well. I'm never getting rid of mine, that's for sure.

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Yeah, Suzuki originally designed it to be a budget entry-level naked bike. It's got a stout motor, an excellent chassis, and doesn't weigh much, so people figured out that upgrading the weak points (suspension, brakes) got you a great lightweight race bike. At the local tracks here, the fast guys are doing pretty amazing things on SVs.

I could go on, but if you're considering a Ninja 250 or 650 as a track bike, I'd take a good long look at an SV650 as well. I'm never getting rid of mine, that's for sure.
I'm sorta considering a ninja 250 but if I were in the market for a sport tourer I'd for sure take an sv650 over a ninja 650 because I dont like the sound of parallel twins

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Thanks Mina, now that's more in the price range I was hoping for. Hadn't really considered 650s but I'll give some real thought to this one.
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