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Track Conversion is getting silly...

So I'm well on the way to a complete trackbike conversion of my 08 and this weekend it took a big (and silly) leap forward.

I intended to respring the bike for my weight and get my suspension professionally setup. This lead to me biting the bullet on the extra cash and converting to brand new Ohlins front and rear. Spending the money I already was, I figured at least the Ohlins fit 07-13 and have good resale value. I splurged, but what the hell, right?

Next were the braided lines. Not exactly a luxury item, more of a must have for a quick pace on a hot summer day. No biggie here.

When I went to tech Monday morning I was told my pads may not make it through the 85+ degree day on the 4 mile track. Went over to trackside support who would be happy to get me new pads, because I do enjoy stopping when needed. Turns out he only had carbon race pads - so I got those installed.

I now basically have a bike that will take me years to be able to ride to the level of the parts that are currently on it. The suspension was a necessary investment (Ohlins were not necessary however) to progress my riding while keeping me and the bike safe and maybe saving a dollar or two on tire wear.

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The suspension was a necessary investment (Ohlins were not necessary however) to progress my riding while keeping me and the bike safe and maybe saving a dollar or two on tire wear.
Maybe it was... but who's call was it? It's better to be told you're ready, than to judge you're ready. Are you running in A group? You should be among the top third and lap consistently before suspension mods come into the picture (not suspension tuning though, like springs and re-valving, which offer much better value). Suspension guys at the track are pretty good at telling me 'just buy tires and more track time' instead of carts or internals. They harsh but fair that way

I'm just saying, it's super easy to justify cool bits in your mind. I have.
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Oh yeah, try to confirm what pads you bought, some pads want to be used with certain kinds of discs, you don't want to tear up the rotors you have.
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Hope to before the end of the summer. This was my last trip to Grattan on May 2 I rode fine in the rain and then decided to nap in the middle of the track once it started drying.

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LOL. I didn't know they allowed track naps. I could've used one last track weekend.

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Don't overthink it. If you have the money, get the best possible parts for your bike. Spending money on suspension now may help keep your bike properly planted to the road and may be cheaper than running OEM, and having to replace other parts should you crash.

Now just get more seat time and ride like hell!
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85* day? Sounds like it would be too cold to get real heat into those pads. lol stupid AZ heat. You have no excuse not to improve every time you go out there now!

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In a nutshell, unless a piece of equipment is holding you back then don't change it. Part of developing and understanding the bikes and your riding, is what and when to mod. If you can't outride your suspension, then don't change it yet. When it becomes the or (one of) limiting factor then go for it. This way you spend less in one go, and also track and feel the progress you are making. I have a Brembo M/C in my closet which I would love to install, but considering I haven't really gotten into trail braking when improved feel from the M/C is required then it's staying there until I feel the stock one not offering what I need from it. Just a thought.

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85* day? Sounds like it would be too cold to get real heat into those pads. lol stupid AZ heat. You have no excuse not to improve every time you go out there now!
I agree 100%. I'm not overloading the front tire now under heavy braking or bottoming the rear shock driving out of a corner. It is also amazing how good braking feels when you're not overloading the forks and transferring more work to the tire. I can brake at MY max and still feel how much left the system has for a better rider. That's very confidence inspiring.
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In a nutshell, unless a piece of equipment is holding you back then don't change it. Part of developing and understanding the bikes and your riding, is what and when to mod. If you can't outride your suspension, then don't change it yet. When it becomes the or (one of) limiting factor then go for it. This way you spend less in one go, and also track and feel the progress you are making. I have a Brembo M/C in my closet which I would love to install, but considering I haven't really gotten into trail braking when improved feel from the M/C is required then it's staying there until I feel the stock one not offering what I need from it. Just a thought.
That's one way to look at it, but I am going to disagree with you.


When you go from stock to ohlins the bike feels absolutely different. Same goes for brake upgrades, wheels, controls, weight savings.


Simply because you have elevated the performance ceiling of the bike doesn't mean for a second that it will perform the same as a stock bike when being used at a level below the stock ceiling.

I can guarantee you that if you rode my bike back to back with your own at just a leisurely pace, you wouldn't want to give me mine back. I'm not being arrogant, but the purposeful andwell coordinated upgrades I have done make the bike startlingly better at everything at all times.
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That's one way to look at it, but I am going to disagree with you.


When you go from stock to ohlins the bike feels absolutely different. Same goes for brake upgrades, wheels, controls, weight savings.


Simply because you have elevated the performance ceiling of the bike doesn't mean for a second that it will perform the same as a stock bike when being used at a level below the stock ceiling.

I can guarantee you that if you rode my bike back to back with your own at just a leisurely pace, you wouldn't want to give me mine back. I'm not being arrogant, but the purposeful andwell coordinated upgrades I have done make the bike startlingly better at everything at all times.
But I'm talking about a different issue, one from the standpoint of rider development. I will undoubtedly turn in better lap times on your bike (and will enjoy riding it more) than mine, but that is a result of the equipment not my skills. If all the rider wants to achieve is turn in better times regardless of how or why then by all means. Working with stock components until you almost get to their limits and then upgrading to better parts allows you to understand and appreciate the difference in technology and develop a feel for the bike and its limitations. That is why pro riders can tell a difference of 2 psi with their tyres as opposed to novices who can't tell if someone played with their rebound or compression damping.

I prefer to develop rider skill, then develop the equipment when needed.

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To think that one requires lesser equipment to develop greater skill goes against the very foundation of progress in sport. That is a very foolish assumption
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Oh I get it now, so you are incapable of riding stock bikes; you need to mod the shlt out of them with CF wheels and aftermarket suspension so you can ride them.

What's foolish is your inability to understand my point. A testament to my foolish assumption are all the experienced riders who turn in MUCH better lap times on stock bikes compared to newer riders running every mod in the book.

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I had a rider weight issue (225 w/gear) that turned into a money spending problem (Ohlins). Other upgrades to the bike besides what I mentioned are Vortex rearsets (me), Optimal fairings (me), ASV shorty (prev owner), Yoshi RS-5 (prev owner).

The brake lines and rearsets I deem mandatory for what I am doing. The bike needs to be adjusted with the rearsets for my best bp and the brakes need to be there with no fade. I have progressed to the point where getting the suspension resprung was mandatory. I think it played a part in my lowside (lost the rear at apex) and I was over loading the front under braking by transferring add'l energy to the tire.

These bikes are INSANELY capable stock and I don't think I could ever say I'd be capable of riding its true limits in that form. Riding it in the way that I am and the direction I want to continue progressing, I believe some adaptations for me are needed. I also love the Yoshi and ASV levers as well though and feel like it makes it more "mine" because its all I've known this bike to have.

Here are a couple videos from Autobahn CC full circuit on Memorial Day. Pay no attention to the out lap in the first vid...too busy thinking about my brake pads and other things. See if you can spot where I peg the rev limiter... I'm headed out for 2 days at Blackhawk Farms this weekend so I should have a really good chance to feel out all the new bits. I'm always better out of the gate on day 2 of back to back.




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you're just putting words in my mouth now.

if you prefer to keep your bike worse feeling in hopes that it will make you into a better rider go ahead.
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Lol.. I used the same excuse when getting the Ohlins as well.

Stock suspension was way to heavily sprung for my weight. So might as well go all the way :)

Glad I'm not the only one and glad that I did it as well. Definitely the best improvement on the bike.

Nice vid man...
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Lol.. I used the same excuse when getting the Ohlins as well.

Stock suspension was way to heavily sprung for my weight. So might as well go all the way :)

Glad I'm not the only one and glad that I did it as well. Definitely the best improvement on the bike.

Nice vid man...
You have some great pictures in your build thread.

I am really hoping to get a better understanding of the bike (with new suspension) this weekend. I was at this same track just a few weeks ago with the stock suspension and should be able to feel the differences.
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Oh I get it now, so you are incapable of riding stock bikes; you need to mod the shlt out of them with CF wheels and aftermarket suspension so you can ride them.

What's foolish is your inability to understand my point. A testament to my foolish assumption are all the experienced riders who turn in MUCH better lap times on stock bikes compared to newer riders running every mod in the book.
I see where he's coming from. Your master cylinder example is perfect. You have this master cylinder just waiting. All its going to do is change lever feel and feedback. Using your stock one isen't making you a better braker. Using the brembo isen't going to make you a better braker either, practice does. The brembo allows you to practice to a level beyond what the stock allows, thats all.
I see people with fully modded bikes all the time at trackdays that aren't very fast. No, you don't need the mods to move at a fast pace. But I don't see how they hinder the development of the rider.

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I won't call it ignorance, but i think a lot of people that have negative attitudes towards built bikes have never ridden one. The 'you don't use the stock equipment to its full potential' argument is completely invalid, but those who know no different tend to be the ones who express that opinion.

I can't think of too many people who purchased performance parts and regretted it. Yet I can think of countless people who didn't have performance parts who labeled the aforementioned riders as foolish.

So, at the end of the day, who is wrong?

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Nobody's wrong in my opinion, both sides have their for and againsts. For example, learning on the stock suspension will require to re-learn some things when the rider upgrades to aftermarket parts. They will also know best what has changed, and knowing how it feels when you are limited by equipment; feeling different feedback from the bike is a valuable experience for beginners/amateurs/hobbyists. On the other hand, why learn on something that will eventually be replaced.

I see the point in both the sides, but out of my experience at the track, Rad's way of thinking is an excellent way of keeping the costs at a minimum, while improving. It could get a very expensive hobby and very fast at that too. So using the OE equipment to a good level before looking at mods is a very good policy to have with a track bike, while also allowing for more experiences that ultimately give the rider the ability to FEEL the difference in the behaviour of the bike. Call me ignorant or a fool lol, but that's my view anyway.
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To me this discussion is exactly the same as the one regarding against starting on a 600 rather than the more 'traditional' 125 - 250 etc route. You can learn on either and it's more down to your mindset and outlook on how to practice and progress your riding.

You can learn on a stock bike or a modified bike just as well in my opinion. Admittedly, the capabilities of the stock 600RR is far better than the riding ability of most people, but if you're just looking to enjoy your riding and not trying to stretch every last tenth out of your lap time then do what you want to your bike to improve how it feels to you.


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But the argument does beg the question of how so you know something either is better, or could be better, or is hindering your growth unless you try something new? I see both sides, but agree that go-fast parts, the right parts not the fake CF mod stuff, do not "need" to be in the hands of a top level rider in only a racing format to be beneficial.

No reason to let good parts sit on a shelf because you think you're not worthy. The only real way to know if something is not working for you is to try something else; maybe what you thought was fine isn't. On my last bike I had a full Ohlin's setup and honestly it felt controlled more so on the street at a lesser pace than at the track at full pace.

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Going faster, more safely and confidently, at the track is my main concern. If upgrades will help me reach that goal, I'm all about them.

The very first thing I noticed with my suspension upgrade was how few things were going on in heavy braking zones. Prior to my upgrade, I would have to wait for the bike to settle before tip in which required me to extend my braking zones OR rush into a corner before I was able to be fully committed. These are not good things. I am smooth with my blips and my suspension confirms this for me. But despite even brake pressure during shifts, my softer front forks would uncompress slightly and upset balance. I don't want to tip into a corner with the front forks fully compressed or with the suspension still travelling.
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But the argument does beg the question of how so you know something either is better, or could be better, or is hindering your growth unless you try something new? I see both sides, but agree that go-fast parts, the right parts not the fake CF mod stuff, do not "need" to be in the hands of a top level rider in only a racing format to be beneficial.

No reason to let good parts sit on a shelf because you think you're not worthy. The only real way to know if something is not working for you is to try something else; maybe what you thought was fine isn't. On my last bike I had a full Ohlin's setup and honestly it felt controlled more so on the street at a lesser pace than at the track at full pace.

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I never said that go-fast parts, need only be in the hands of a top level rider in only a racing format to be beneficial. I invested quite a bit in CMC rotors, same rotors wibbly has (it's funny he claims I have an ill view of built bikes). My view is one of progression; I'm all for putting performance mods on a street bike for those capable of utilizing said parts.

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There's something to be said for both sides of that.

Is it beneficial for someone to go out and buy a brembo the first day he tries a trackday? Probably not...

However, to counter that... Riding a bike to a level with certain equipment to then change that equipment a long time later means the rider will have to RE-learn how to ride.

If you spend 2 years riding with an OEM master, to then change to the Brembo, everything changes... You braking marker changes, it changes your turn in, how you entry speed feels. It CAN alter you gearing, suspension, etc.... as a result.

So waiting to hit some "level" before changing isn't beneficial either.

There's definitely a compromise between "cost/benefit" in these decisions.


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