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Arrow Lap timers - What are you using and how do you like it?

Well, I was taking apart my AIM transmitter to replace the batteries and found this:





Needless to say, I'm taking the opportunity to grab a new lap timer. What are you guys using? I don't want anything overly sophisticated, user-friendly is key and a GPS unit is preferred.

I see a couple of options at STG:

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com...l.bok?no=39833 <- Never heard of this brand before

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com...l.bok?no=33906

My local store has this one in stock:

http://bluestreakracing.ca/laptimers...k-mapping.html

Thoughts? Suggestions?

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I've seen some people with the XT Racing GPX Pro. it works well but the unit is quite big.

My brother use QStarz LT-Q6000
http://www.qstarz.com/Products/GPS%2...T-Q6000-F.html
But he always have to start it manually on each session. it could be a user error as they are supposed to be able to store track location and start automatically.

I'm a fan of the Starlane unit.
I have the Starlane Athon XS which is a step above the Stealth.
Picture of install and video are here and in my youtube page
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It works awesomely. You do 2 laps for it to learn the track and after that all you got to do is start riding and it will automatically start timing once it sees that you're on one of the stored track.

The Stealth works exactly the same way.

No need to press any button.
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I was doing some Googling and came across the LT-Q6000, got a little excited about it and then I saw your post. :( lol

What is the cable sticking out of the stealth model for? Power source? I don't plan on using any expansion modules.

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Power, usb and extra for expansion module.

I never played around too much with the qstarz, I'm sure it can store track and start automatically. It has nice colour screen :)

The starlane athon is nice because it has shift light.
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Thanks man, I did some review research on the Starlane Stealth and there seems to be some software issues and I'm not sure if they have sorted it out by now or not. Also their software is not Mac friendly and I don't want to buy another laptop/tablet/etc.

Anyone have any experience with Harry's Lap Timer for iPhones/iPods?
Thinking of grabbing a cheap iPod from eBay and downloading the App for a cool $20.

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The problem with Android or iOS device lap timer is the the GPS on the devices are only 1Hz which means it only picks up your location once every second.

Resulting in an inaccurate data.

You can go around this by using external Bluetooth GPS received like http://www.qstarz.com/Products/GPS%2...T-Q818XT-F.htm

But it doesn't seem to work with iOS device. The combo that I know works well is QStarz BT-Q818XT + Android Phone + Racechrono App.

I use Mac as well and to analyse the data I installed Windows 7 VM using VMWare Fusion. Works really well.

Stand Alone GPS Lap timer are 10Hz so it picks up your location 10 times a second.
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The combo that I know works well is QStarz BT-Q818XT + Android Phone + Racechrono App.
Yep, this is what is used by most people here as well. Personally I just use the Garmin GLO gps instead of the Qstarz and still works like a charm. Chose the Garmin unit as it also supports GLONASS satellites so it could lock on more sattelites than other units.
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I've started to see STI's Speedangle GPS timer on the race bikes of our league's fastest riders (AMA level). It records your lean angle, so you can identify problems such as adding lean angle and throttle at the same time.
I'm thinking about getting one. Check them out: http://www.speedangle.com/show-room


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I just use the one built into my bike from the factory! :)

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Well, I went the cheap route and picked up a new beacon for $50.

Quick question for you guys, Does it matter where the IR receiver is located on the bike? Will the receiver have a hard time picking up the signal if it's tucked in the fairing?
Does it have to be levelled with the beacon as well?

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I'm using Harry's lap timer, and it works well. It has most tracks preloadable which has points of interest on gps. It automatically starts and records laps when passing the start/finish line. I haven't seen the need for a dedicated lap timer yet as i'm just doing track days and my times are still a little inconsistent due to traffic and what not.

What I do like is being able to overlay lap info over external and internal video. That feature is what sold me.


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I use my Qstarz at every race/track event. Works great for everything I need to do.

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Well, I went the cheap route and picked up a new beacon for $50.

Quick question for you guys, Does it matter where the IR receiver is located on the bike? Will the receiver have a hard time picking up the signal if it's tucked in the fairing?
Does it have to be levelled with the beacon as well?
IR requires line of sight so you should have the receiver unobstructed. I mounted mine with some Velcro on the bottom of the windscreen. That way it can be turned around depending on track direction.


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i'd be interested in the moto-d lap timer but my local track isn't loaded up..

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i'd be interested in the moto-d lap timer but my local track isn't loaded up..
95% of all Motorcycle Racetracks come preloaded on the MOTO-D Motorcycle GPS Lap Timer.

If your track isn't listed, making track maps is fun and takes approx. 20 seconds at home on a PC.

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I've seen some people with the XT Racing GPX Pro. it works well but the unit is quite big.



My brother use QStarz LT-Q6000

http://www.qstarz.com/Products/GPS%2...T-Q6000-F.html

But he always have to start it manually on each session. it could be a user error as they are supposed to be able to store track location and start automatically.



I'm a fan of the Starlane unit.

I have the Starlane Athon XS which is a step above the Stealth.

Picture of install and video are here and in my youtube page

https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=392145&page=3



It works awesomely. You do 2 laps for it to learn the track and after that all you got to do is start riding and it will automatically start timing once it sees that you're on one of the stored track.



The Stealth works exactly the same way.



No need to press any button.
I've got the Qstarz last track day it only picked up one session ( I generally turn it on after 3rd or 4th, is this the issue your brother other had ? I thought I mustn't have charger it properly ???



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I've got the Qstarz last track day it only picked up one session ( I generally turn it on after 3rd or 4th, is this the issue your brother other had ? I thought I mustn't have charger it properly ???



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We figured out how to save tracks into the unit and now he can start it from the pit.

We only ever had issue when there is thick cloud above us. At which point any GPS lap timer seems to struggle getting a lock to the satellite.

The easiest way to get around it is to start it outside of the pit so you can see the sky and let it get a good lock.

Also make sure the unit can always see the sky; therefore don't put it on the tank as your body will block it.
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We figured out how to save tracks into the unit and now he can start it from the pit.



We only ever had issue when there is thick cloud above us. At which point any GPS lap timer seems to struggle getting a lock to the satellite.



The easiest way to get around it is to start it outside of the pit so you can see the sky and let it get a good lock.



Also make sure the unit can always see the sky; therefore don't put it on the tank as your body will block it.

Ok I actually put in the hump of my suit ( we're not allowed to time in Aus 😉) it worked fine the last few times just not the most recent. I might try restarting it each session next week


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I'm mainly interested in a lap timer as a learning tool. So far I've been using Harry's laptimer and I would like to understand what MOTO-D GPS Next and Speedangle can do better for $500, other then the >10Hz tracking of course.

- I like to check my riding after each session. Harry's laptimer makes it very easy since it's just an iphone app. Unless I bring a laptop to the track I don't think I can use speedangle or GPS Next until I go back home. At which point I will hardly remember what happened during each session.

- I would like to compare my riding with an expert rider data. So overlay my recording and expert throttle/break/angle data to show where I'm losing time exactly.

- Any other coach-like use I can make it of the more expensive lap timer please let me know.
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I have experience on Starlane products (from Stealth to DaVinci) for more than 6 years now. I confirm that they had their issues with their software but it's nothing but stable reliable and great tool to work with.
Other than that Stealth gives you the ability to log important data from your driving or even your motorbike like tps/speed sensor/rpm, acceleration, lamda data etc. On Athon XS you have a wider screen that can show you more data at the same time with more or less the same abilities than Stealth but this one comes with speed sensor/rpm and temprature input on the box.

Other reliable and quality solution would be AIM Solo. Great software with a reliable GPS laptimer - on the same cost with Starlane Stealth. If you're not interested of adding external input channels and don't even want to have cables for your laptimer to work Solo is the best solution. It comes with internal rechargable batteries that last more than expected.

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I have the standard XT Racing IR with Beacon and the XT Racing GPS Zed

I have tested at several tracks around Texas and found the GPS Zed to be very accurate and match up with the IR.

I also have a plague of students running Harry's on phones and their times can be off by huge amounts. In most cases it shows them running much faster times than IR/GPS show so I don't have a lot of faith in GPS Timers via phones.

The worst case being at Circuit of the Americas a student was elated he was running 2:40s and the GPS/IR had us at 3:00 Flat. Telephone signals are spotty out in the country you can barely make phone calls let alone trust GPS Triangulation. A true GPS device does not work without LOS to the sky, the phones do .. thus they are using mobile towers with spotty signals.

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I know about the iPhone limitations, there is a GPS add-on featuring 10Hz GPS for $150: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E65TNYE/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00E65TNYE&linkCode=as2&tag=harslap-20. So with this installed I'd like to understand why to spend $500 for speed angle or similar products.
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I had the xt and it worked well but i hated forgetting the beacon all the time. I then got a starlane 3 and love it. Automatically loads tracks once programmed in. Can do intervals as well easily.
As far as software issues i have had none. There is a patch that you download and that may have taken care of them all.

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Congrats on the purchase but why did you spend $150-$200 more for an inferior unit?

The MOTO-D GPS "NEXT" Lap Timer COSTS LESS and uses a Faster GPS chip (50hz vs. 10hz) + Integrated GPS Chip (vs. an external cord you have to drape on your tail), and has an Easier to Use interface!

You can not see you Lean Angle while on track anyway.

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Congrats on the purchase but why did you spend $150-$200 more for an inferior unit?



The MOTO-D GPS "NEXT" Lap Timer COSTS LESS and uses a Faster GPS chip (50hz vs. 10hz) + Integrated GPS Chip (vs. an external cord you have to drape on your tail), and has an Easier to Use interface!



You can not see you Lean Angle while on track anyway.



For more info on the MOTO-D GPS "NEXT" or "START" Lap Timers visit www.motodracing.com






I've got mates with the same unit, had a play with it, happy with what it can do, the new version has built in GPS receiver, and the soft ware is pretty easy to use.


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