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ebay brake levers OK?

I know, i know "would you trust a chinese brake lever coming down from 150 mph... blah blah" but seriously, a set of CRG levers are easily 100+ bucks more than a very nice SET of CNC machined, adjustable, anodized levers that are all over ebay.

anybody have any first hand experience, bad or good? recommended off-brand?

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Any anodized stuff that is off brand that I have bought usually tends to fade after exposure to sunlight, but I don't have experience with those levers.
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All the flames!

Actually this has been covered a few times; use the search in the upper right corner to find the threads.
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The look, fit and work good.

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I run a black pair of eBay CNC levers, and have been fine for 3 years. Prior to that had a red pair on my 250 and no issues either.
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I run a black pair of eBay CNC levers, and have been fine for 3 years. Prior to that had a red pair on my 250 and no issues either.
They are surprisingly good for what you pay for them.

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^^^ I agree.

both of my 954s have them, and so does my 600RR. as previously mentioned, the first pair I bought have begun to fade (but not the actual lever, the middle portion). I don't take my machines to the track (yet), but they've felt solid and strong when I've called upon them in less than ideal conditions.

for the price...? a direct fit, 6-way adjustable, custom color, billet aluminum set of levers for $26 can't be beat!
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for the price...? a direct fit, 6-way adjustable, custom color, billet aluminum set of levers for $26 can't be beat!
I'm willing to bet large sums of cash that the chinese do not actually mill the levers from solid billet blocks.

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Ebay CNC levers for 2 years haven't had a problem with them .
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Cheap ass BRAKE levers on the TRACK.

Bwahahahahahaha



Of course, do it. What could possibly go wrong?
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I've been using cheap brake levers from thetwowheels.com which I believe are the same as the garden variety e-bay levers. Use on both street and track. Don't know which ones specifically you're looking at though.

As someone said above, the anodized colour tends to fade in sunlight over time--red becomes pinkish. There was a little bit of play in one of my levers which was easily remedied with a washer. Other than that, I have zero complaints. They have been solid and reliable.
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Cheap ass BRAKE levers on the TRACK.

Bwahahahahahaha



Of course, do it. What could possibly go wrong?
I'll keep you posted. Both my bikes have cheap ebay levers and thus far, 6 track days and counting, no issues. This is in the intermediate group FWIW.

What I find so very funny is people thinking they could not come from the same factory but are missing that "special" stamp with a logo on them that drives up the price for your name brand ones.
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thanks for the replies, it's given me things to think about...

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If you've been around bikes long enough you know they are not ok.
I'm willing to bet large sums of cash that the chinese do not actually mill the levers from solid billet blocks.
been on bikes for 40 years, 10 on the track. there are things that make sense to buy from quality, high end suppliers (clutches, pistons, cams, brakes, etc) but for something as simple as a mechanical lever, i gotta believe the chinese/tiawanese are quite capable of manufacturing a good product.

as far as you whether they are "billet"? that's funny. what else would they be? CAST levers would be obvious, i'll take that bet for whatever money you want to throw down. FORGED levers? i'd actually prefer forged, especially for 30 bucks a set since they'd be way stronger than billet. waaay too expensive to tool and produce. pretty obvious to detect a CNC lever based on the tooling/machining marks. a better question is whether the material is 6061 T6 or something cheaper or without the heat tempering that makes it strong. even if some lower grade alloy, i can't imagine anyone bending a lever with a couple fingers.

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Cheap ass BRAKE levers on the TRACK.
Bwahahahahahaha
Of course, do it. What could possibly go wrong?
if i had the time or inclination, i could whittle one out of a chunk of aluminum myself. i'm no pro machinist but with enough time i could copy one of those big buck CRG levers. it wouldnt be a good use of my time (it would take me HOURS if not weeks), but someone with a CNC could do it pretty darn easily, like all those asian widget factories. pretty hard to mess it up really. worst case, the lever might feel sloppy, the adjustment lever was hard to work, or the pivot wears out quickly. no biggie.

i'm in.
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thanks for the replies, it's given me things to think about...


been on bikes for 40 years, 10 on the track. there are things that make sense to buy from quality, high end suppliers (clutches, pistons, cams, brakes, etc) but for something as simple as a mechanical lever, i gotta believe the chinese/tiawanese are quite capable of manufacturing a good product.

as far as you whether they are "billet"? that's funny. what else would they be? CAST levers would be obvious, i'll take that bet for whatever money you want to throw down. FORGED levers? i'd actually prefer forged, especially for 30 bucks a set since they'd be way stronger than billet. waaay too expensive to tool and produce. pretty obvious to detect a CNC lever based on the tooling/machining marks. a better question is whether the material is 6061 T6 or something cheaper or without the heat tempering that makes it strong. even if some lower grade alloy, i can't imagine anyone bending a lever with a couple fingers.


if i had the time or inclination, i could whittle one out of a chunk of aluminum myself. i'm no pro machinist but with enough time i could copy one of those big buck CRG levers. it wouldnt be a good use of my time (it would take me HOURS if not weeks), but someone with a CNC could do it pretty darn easily, like all those asian widget factories. pretty hard to mess it up really. worst case, the lever might feel sloppy, the adjustment lever was hard to work, or the pivot wears out quickly. no biggie.

i'm in.
I was about to say the same thing.
I'd take the same bet, the levers look machined, it would not be cost effective to forge and machine later just to get the look.
Doesn't make sense, they fall out of a Chinese made machine centre, but a machine centre not a cast.

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If you've been around bikes long enough you know they are not ok.

I'm willing to bet large sums of cash that the chinese do not actually mill the levers from solid billet blocks.
I'm not going to get into a verbal confrontation with you... but surely not cast. If a rider is only using a small percentage of their bike's potential, then they surely don't need titanium everything that's been MotoGP tested. Just my opinion.


EDIT: ...and please pardon me. I just noticed this thread is in the "track talk" section. disclaimer: I haven't any track experience.

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I've been using cheap brake levers from thetwowheels.com which I believe are the same as the garden variety e-bay levers. Use on both street and track. Don't know which ones specifically you're looking at though.

As someone said above, the anodized colour tends to fade in sunlight over time--red becomes pinkish. There was a little bit of play in one of my levers which was easily remedied with a washer. Other than that, I have zero complaints. They have been solid and reliable.
nice, thanks. I'm going to go with these -
7 Click GP 3D Lever Set (Brake & Clutch) / Honda (FINAL SALE)
and with all the money I'm saving I bought all kinds of other goodies like SPOOLS and BAR ENDS. any ney sayers out there think THOSE are questionable too??
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I just got some shorty adjustable levers from "china" on amazon. Install took 10 minutes and they work perfect. Little more play up and down than the stock levers but overall for $27 I'm happy!
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I'm not going to get into a verbal confrontation with you... but surely not cast. If a rider is only using a small percentage of their bike's potential, then they surely don't need titanium everything that's been MotoGP tested. Just my opinion.


EDIT: ...and please pardon me. I just noticed this thread is in the "track talk" section. disclaimer: I haven't any track experience.
My comment was never ment as a "they aren't strong enough" comment. I've read countless "why did my front brakes lock up after ebay levers" threads. No thanks. My oem levers on my F4i have lasted plenty of miles and plenty of trackdays so I don't see the need for cheap ass levers that will fade in sunlight. I have an ASV short brake lever on my RR because it was only $70 on clearance, otherwise I would have thrown a stocker back on that too.

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nice, thanks. I'm going to go with these -
7 Click GP 3D Lever Set (Brake & Clutch) / Honda (FINAL SALE)
and with all the money I'm saving I bought all kinds of other goodies like SPOOLS and BAR ENDS. any ney sayers out there think THOSE are questionable too??
Yep those are the ones I've got. Been using them for several years. I got black with red adjusters. The red has faded a bit but the black is still black.

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My comment was never ment as a "they aren't strong enough" comment. I've read countless "why did my front brakes lock up after ebay levers" threads. No thanks. My oem levers on my F4i have lasted plenty of miles and plenty of trackdays so I don't see the need for cheap ass levers that will fade in sunlight. I have an ASV short brake lever on my RR because it was only $70 on clearance, otherwise I would have thrown a stocker back on that too.
How would levers cause your brakes to lock? They are basically just an extension of your hand that hits the little switch on the master cylinder.
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How would levers cause your brakes to lock? They are basically just an extension of your hand that hits the little switch on the master cylinder.
There are many different master cylinder designs, and each one demands a different solution to actuating the piston. Because of the angle, many levers for our Nissin masters need a small rotating piece because the angle of leverage changes through the stroke. Some levers skip this moving piece, or are not milled close enough to spec to push it cleanly. Sometimes this can manifest as light pressure against the piston, which pushes the brake pads against the rotors, which heats the pads and rotors, which can cause a lockup.

Ethics aside (that makers ripping off CRG's original design defraud CRG from those profits and dissuade CRG and other companies from designing and making products if they expect that they will be stolen in this way), things made in China can has as much Quality Assurance done as anywhere else in the world, or it can have literally none - and there are business that just want to make some money by making decent products, and businesses that want to make money by making the cheapest thing possible that they can pass off and get your money before you realize it's crap.

I would not buy the absolute cheapest levers you can find on ebay.
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There are many different master cylinder designs, and each one demands a different solution to actuating the piston. Because of the angle, many levers for our Nissin masters need a small rotating piece because the angle of leverage changes through the stroke. Some levers skip this moving piece, or are not milled close enough to spec to push it cleanly. Sometimes this can manifest as light pressure against the piston, which pushes the brake pads against the rotors, which heats the pads and rotors, which can cause a lockup.

Ethics aside (that makers ripping off CRG's original design defraud CRG from those profits and dissuade CRG and other companies from designing and making products if they expect that they will be stolen in this way), things made in China can has as much Quality Assurance done as anywhere else in the world, or it can have literally none - and there are business that just want to make some money by making decent products, and businesses that want to make money by making the cheapest thing possible that they can pass off and get your money before you realize it's crap.

I would not buy the absolute cheapest levers you can find on ebay.
I haven't personally heard of that happening so I will take your word for it as it sounds plausible. I think these levers have a pretty good track record but I would hope that people test out any mods before taking it for a serious ride.
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It's happened to a couple members here over the years; though it is difficult to tell if it's something with the product, or user error (brake lever can be installed without the rotating dowel and still technically work but can cause this issue.)
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My comment was never ment as a "they aren't strong enough" comment. I've read countless "why did my front brakes lock up after ebay levers" threads. No thanks. My oem levers on my F4i have lasted plenty of miles and plenty of trackdays so I don't see the need for cheap ass levers that will fade in sunlight. I have an ASV short brake lever on my RR because it was only $70 on clearance, otherwise I would have thrown a stocker back on that too.
gotcha. I understand. each of us seems to have a "pet peeve" or certain reason for what we do... whether taught, learned, or have the scars to remind us. no autopsy no foul here.

...and good deal on the ASV shorty *thumbs up*
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That problem can happen with even the most expensive levers. That is why you need to check the brake free play when you install new levers..

FYI even CRG levers fade over time and the red becomes pink...
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I run a cheap ass clutch lever.. works great does its job. Its a chunk of aluminum after all.

Just buy a brembo rcs it comes with a lever

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I have them on all of my CBRs (125, 250, 300 & 600) no issues what so ever. I feel bad for the people that pay A LOT for these levers...
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I have them on all of my CBRs (125, 250, 300 & 600) no issues what so ever. I feel bad for the people that pay A LOT for these levers...
Thank you! Let them 'feel' like they have a better product if they so wish.
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It really comes down to how much you care about quality and what you own. Chinese do build quality products but as far as the no-name CNC stuff you see on eBay, quality isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

What you get with a higher quality product is obviously higher price, but don't think of the product as only the physical item you get, but the R&D that has been put into it and the after sales support that is available.
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Unless you know for sure where the levers are being made - maybe all those "premium" levers are all made in the same factories and you don't know any better because they have some gimmicky brand name to it.

Of course you get the perennial favourites like ASV and Pazzo, maybe they make theirs in a premium factory with lush toilet facilities for their employees and use real metal unlike those eBay ones!

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