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What hand brake lever guard do you like, and why?

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and why do they cost so much?
I'm just shopping now... So far looking at Woodcraft Vortex and LSL because they clamp directly to the bar rather than the rest of them which attach via a bar end plug.
The bars in my crash spares bin all have pre-installed bar ends so i don't want to have to pull them out to install the guard. Furthermore, in a light off i'm imagining the bar end plug will take the hit and the guard will likely be resuable... however with the ones that are integrated into the bar end plug i'm guessing the tension screw and mechanism will get ground off making them kinda disposable? examples of each kind below so you can see what i mean...
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http://www.hardracing.com/diondevice.htm

I prefer these. They mount on the inside so it’s not in your way at the end of the bar if you do the screwdriver grip on the throttle while leaned over. The arm also folds out so it’s less likely to break off in a crash.


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very cool! but don't underestimate the tech guy's inability to comprehend how they meet the requirement if they're not what he's expecting to see... just sayin'
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very cool! but don't underestimate the tech guy's inability to comprehend how they meet the requirement if they're not what he's expecting to see... just sayin'


Not sure what org you’re referring to, but they are all over the WERA and CCS grids. It does exactly what its intended to.


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Make sure you get one for the clutch too!
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im sure the pro operations are fine with it. good for you for being able to only run at that sort of track. just saying that at the sort of small volunteer run local tracks that many people run at, the staffing may not be perfect... i’ve seen 2smokes having to argue over belly pans, clip links being rejected because they’re expecting riveted master, etc.
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Make sure you get one for the clutch too!
Ha-ha good one

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and why do they cost so much?
I'm just shopping now... So far looking at Woodcraft Vortex and LSL because they clamp directly to the bar rather than the rest of them which attach via a bar end plug.
The bars in my crash spares bin all have pre-installed bar ends so i don't want to have to pull them out to install the guard. Furthermore, in a light off i'm imagining the bar end plug will take the hit and the guard will likely be resuable... however with the ones that are integrated into the bar end plug i'm guessing the tension screw and mechanism will get ground off making them kinda disposable? examples of each kind below so you can see what i mean...
That's kind of the dilemma I have, I have OEM clip-ons with the bar weights. The weight I can easily remove, so I have looked at (online) different brands and some like Sato Racing claim to fit inside the OEM clip-on, once the weight is removed of course.

I just want to use it for some track days, not for competition.

I am kind of leaning towards the Driven Racing item.



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do you think you need a lever guard for track days? are you anticipating rubbing other riders? i've never seen a track day organization with these as a requirement for participating.
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do you think you need a lever guard for track days? are you anticipating rubbing other riders? i've never seen a track day organization with these as a requirement for participating.
I would not think so, but I have never ridden on a track so I would have to start with the cherries and who knows what may happen out of your own control

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do you think you need a lever guard for track days? are you anticipating rubbing other riders? i've never seen a track day organization with these as a requirement for participating.
Oh hey I just remembered there was a nasty wreck here, fellow from church, a deer hit him on the right side and locked his front brake. Nasty.

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do you think you need a lever guard for track days? are you anticipating rubbing other riders? i've never seen a track day organization with these as a requirement for participating.
our local days don’t... yet. but you didn’t used to need a snell helmet for trackdays, but did to race, and now... the latest thing around here is a ban of aftermarket spin on oil filters and that trickled down to track days fast... so i don’t think it’s necessarily a bad idea to take the hint from the racers rule book when prepping your trackday bike.... also, you end up doing track days with unknown wannabe rossi’s who have had no training so while you shouldn’t be rubbing, who knows?
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i dunno. i see these things used more as a mods list buffer than a necessary addition.
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also, i ended up with a wrecked bike and a grade 3 concussion from a bar incident when i used to race, so maybe i’m a bit over cautious
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Very easy for a lever to come into contact with a car or vans wing mirror on the road,when filtering in traffic or in heavy city centre traffic and car drivers trying to squeeze you in..


Also trackday riders all have their own ideas of how to ride through a corner and overtaking others through corners,so its a no brainer to add them to your bike.


So clutch/brake lever guards can be very handy and life saving,when you stop and think about it.
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If you run your handlebar into a car you're in for a bad time. Guard or no guard.
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Get those dion’s... it’s less of a sin on mod list for appearance than ohlins suspension and carbon wheels. But wait it actually works...to protect your bike

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You'll never go elbow to elbow like this at a trackday unless you want a black flag and kicked out. Not to say it's worthless, just not something that is going to occur in a non racing for points environment
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cuz the hotshots who think they’re god and have never run a trackday before never go in too hot and are suddenly not where you expect them to be?
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cuz the hotshots who think they’re god and have never run a trackday before never go in too hot and are suddenly not where you expect them to be?
how is a guy coming from behind you going to hit your brake lever?
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You'll never go elbow to elbow like this at a trackday unless you want a black flag and kicked out. Not to say it's worthless, just not something that is going to occur in a non racing for points environment
From what I get on the video above is that this isn’t just a break lever guard... the design was for lever guard but the benefits are also for saving the gas tank, master cylinder etc. (you gotta see it installed to understand how it may protect the master cylinder).

Don’t know if you noticed but the lever on the dion’s device is almost half way gone while the gas tank and MC was untouched. I guess, moral of the story is that you don’t have to TD or race for the bike to crash but having something to protect what’s t worth saving is a no brainer.

What worth mention though is that the guy on the vid above, I’m pretty sure he’s a crew chief not a forum crew chief...and even HE wanted to use the clutch side after the crash not to analyze how is it or is it not possible to lock a front brake or clutch lever.

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You'll also notice in the video that the clip on is snapped in half... Seems like it's a bit of embellishment about protection when it destroyed itself plus the part it was connected to
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So it’s the guard’s fault for the clipon to snapped? Wouldn’t it cuz of a weak clipon? But say even if that was the case, I’d take snapped clipon over trashed gas tank etc. Anyway, if this thing is that bad, I’m sure graves factory or other won’t be using it.


If it was a stand still dropped in the garage and caused the guard lever to have that much of a damage on both the guard and clipon than sure, it’s a bad design and don’t buy this crap but he said that the bike slid for good amount of distance on a race pace (unlike me or your pace) yet the lever held up. Well, if graves factory and other pro level racers are using it... I’d rather be on their side than forum crew chief’s

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i never said it's bad. i said it's not a valuable part for street or track day guys, as the actual likelihood of something hitting your brake lever is minimal at best.
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I too at one point felt the need for it but decided against it for reason that wibbly mentioned. It's a nice add-on but now you'll need to replace broken clip-on AND the guard instead of just broken clip-on. I know what you're thinking. What about the broken brake lever without the brake guard? My OEM lever is much cheaper than brake guard.

The brake guard is to avoid unintentional braking not for "protecting" the brake lever when crashing.
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The design was to prevent accidental break grab but the functionality is actually more than that. The 2-3 inches gap between the tip of the handlebar and the tip on the lever guard means the the gas tank would be 2-3 inches above the ground (had it not have the guard, that tank would’ve been a goner) and that’s what saved the gas tank on the r6 and it should do the same as to any bikes. Anyway I guess do your own research and compare with other type of guards cuz there are many out there. I personally don’t like the ones that goes inside the clipons cuz those are weaker (how many had their barends bent or snapped out after crash?)

Btw those clipon tubes are designed to be weaker than the forks that way the force/energy would not transfer to the fork and crush the fork tube during impact. Do you think they can’t just put an unbreakable tube on the clipon?
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So how come the tank didn't get wrecked after the entire handlebar broke?
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So how come the tank didn't get wrecked after the entire handlebar broke?

whatever reason I’d tell you won’t matter cuz you’d always think you’re the “guru” in EVERY subjects. So why not ask the actual guy that post up the vid or the experts... like real experts.
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I just fail to see how something attached to a broken handlebar could have supported an entire bike
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