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Throttle is tricky.

I am new to the Hondas, and my throttle feels like it is either on, or off, and not really much in between. For example, I roll up to a stoplight and am taking a right turn, and when I get back on the throttle it is very jerky. Is this something I can adjust? The 07 GSXR that I was riding was not like that. It was a smooth transition.
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Do you have a 1/6 turn throttle instead of a 1/4 turn? That would be the only reason I can think of for the less sensitive feel.

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I kinda get the same feeling but have no basis for comparison - I was surprised how abrupt the shutdown of power seems when the throttle is off. Curious to see what people have to say. Stock 1/4 turn btw.

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The on/off with the 600rr is definitely more abrupt than my previous bikes...but as said above, all you can do is use the clutch!
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It's the stock 1/4 turn. I will deal with it, but enter to know if there was a solution to fix it. It's just not that rider friendly compared to newer model gsxr's. I'm curious now about how the r6 and zx-6 feel.
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haha, compared to a r6, i think my bike feels perfect. I rode an 08 r6 and THAT was either on/off ALL THE TIME.

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My last bike was carburated....and I felt a huge difference....you get used to it.
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It's the stock 1/4 turn. I will deal with it, but enter to know if there was a solution to fix it. It's just not that rider friendly compared to newer model gsxr's. I'm curious now about how the r6 and zx-6 feel.
Are you new to motorcycles or sport bikes in general? This is probably the case with all of them.

Are you talking about that bucking feeling? The one where you go from off throttle to on throttle, and you give it a little too much so you go flying forward, then you over compensate by shutting the throttle, and that jerks you the opposite direction by applying the engine break? Because that's all inconsistency in throttle control.

Realize there's nothing wrong with the bike... the bike is responding to your controls and doing EXACTLY what you tell it to, no more, no less. You're being jerky with the throttle, so it's being jerky with you.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the slipper clutch on the Gixxers ate up this inexperience and that's why it wasn't that bad. You need to ride around in first gear for a while to hone your throttle control. The jerkiness in first gear will eventually make you a pro with the throttle.

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+1 on your explaination chipmunk, niceeee
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Keep it in 2nd.
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My '03 throttle is kinda jerky, even on other gears, though it might have to do with my throttle settings (I dunno, I've had the bike for about 2 months now).

On turns though, I don't go through them on 1st unless I'm stopped and making a sharp turn to the right...always on 2nd otherwise.

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Are you new to motorcycles or sport bikes in general? This is probably the case with all of them.

Are you talking about that bucking feeling? The one where you go from off throttle to on throttle, and you give it a little too much so you go flying forward, then you over compensate by shutting the throttle, and that jerks you the opposite direction by applying the engine break? Because that's all inconsistency in throttle control.

Realize there's nothing wrong with the bike... the bike is responding to your controls and doing EXACTLY what you tell it to, no more, no less. You're being jerky with the throttle, so it's being jerky with you.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the slipper clutch on the Gixxers ate up this inexperience and that's why it wasn't that bad. You need to ride around in first gear for a while to hone your throttle control. The jerkiness in first gear will eventually make you a pro with the throttle.
Maybe Im just use to the slipper clutch in the GSXR and the last Kawi I had was pretty smooth also. The feeling is the bike going from engine compression to throttle. I was just hoping for a way to smooth it out a little more like the GSXR.

As for clutching before a turn, I think that is kind of a bad idea. If you go from compression braking of you motor and grab the clutch, you are going to gain speed right before you go into a turn. Just seems like it would be easier to roll on the throttle a little earlier before the turn and that would be the most effective and stabile way of doing it.

Thanks for the info guys....
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i know what you mean...when i picked my bike up i had to ride home about 20 miles...im sure i looked like an idiot because my body would rock back and forth. itll will get better with time

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As for clutching before a turn, I think that is kind of a bad idea. If you go from compression braking of you motor and grab the clutch, you are going to gain speed right before you go into a turn. Just seems like it would be easier to roll on the throttle a little earlier before the turn and that would be the most effective and stabile way of doing it.
Incorrect. By using the clutch, you are losing the engine braking that normally occurs. You aren't going to decrease in speed as rapidly as you would without applying the clutch but you are still losing speed. Rolling on the throttle does, however, cause an increase in speed. To maintain the same speed without having the "jerkiness", either go up a gear or feather the clutch.
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i am so confused with this thread... wTf??

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The off-on throttle transition can be smoothed out by riding different and/or tuning via a PC or BPD system.

Riding: Higher RPMs in the corner (lower gear) seems to help a lot.
Tuning: More fuel at 5% TPS (richen mixture) results in reduced snatchiness.

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thanks harp!!! That is exactly what I was looking for.
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my throttle can actually move about a centimeter without opening or closing the throttle. My friends have 06rrs and none of them are like that. Is there something I can adjust? Either that or the grips I put on are crap.

The actual plastic piece under the grip moves, I'm not jerking forward and backward. I'm used to it but I don't like it. I want it tight like the 06rrs.

Any ideas?
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my throttle can actually move about a centimeter without opening or closing the throttle. My friends have 06rrs and none of them are like that. Is there something I can adjust? Either that or the grips I put on are crap.

The actual plastic piece under the grip moves, I'm not jerking forward and backward. I'm used to it but I don't like it. I want it tight like the 06rrs.

Any ideas?
Your throttle cables need to be adjusted. Leave a little slack in them.

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On or Off?

this doesnt make any sense...
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Its a Race Replica, Its ether your on the throttle or off of it braking.
Learn to feather in your clutch.


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my throttle can actually move about a centimeter without opening or closing the throttle. My friends have 06rrs and none of them are like that. Is there something I can adjust? Either that or the grips I put on are crap.

The actual plastic piece under the grip moves, I'm not jerking forward and backward. I'm used to it but I don't like it. I want it tight like the 06rrs.

Any ideas?
That's normal , If you read your Owner manual It will tell you how and how much slack is needed when adjusted.

You people need to read your Fking Owner Manual.


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I'm having a similar problem with my 03 CBR600rr that I picked up a couple weeks ago. Whenever I am just coasting in gear/engine braking with no throttle, I will slowly give it some throttle to maintain my speed or accelerate and it is really jerky. It's a pain especially when I am coming up to a turn and I try rolling on the throttle smoothly, but it jerks instead.

Would adjusting the TPS sensor maybe fix this? Any other suggestions? Have already checked the cable slack.
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Would adjusting the TPS sensor maybe fix this? Any other suggestions? Have already checked the cable slack.
Noobs, probably they didn't ride another brand bike or there aren't professionals enough to know what's "jerky" is and how it affects the cornering.
Don't mess with the TPS, i try it, with no result. Nor a power commander with richen the 0-5% will help. Watch my thread if you want, i tried tons of things with no result. The only thing i didn't try (and i believe that it will work) is an ignition module. Advancing the timing on 0% throttle and retarding it till the 2-5% in order to have more weak rpm raising.

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