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Will driving slip-on and no PCIII??

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't find it. Anyways, just installed the slip-on, but feel I don't have the skills/talent to install the PCIII. The Honda dealer ship is about 400k away. Should I be fine to drive my bike that far to get them to install the PCIII??

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Your CBR should run just fine with a slip-on exhaust. You don't need a PCIII at all since the s/o doesn't change the air/fuel ratio much, if at all, from stock. If you're planning on adding a full system (header) later or an aftermarket air filter, then you'll need it.

I just installed an Arrow Indy-Race slipon a few days ago. My RR is 100% stock otherwise and it runs perfectly, with no issues.

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if you installed the slipon yourself, and you are able to do an oil change on your bike.. you should be able to install a pc3.. plus im sure there is a writeup on here somewhere.
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't find it. Anyways, just installed the slip-on, but feel I don't have the skills/talent to install the PCIII. The Honda dealer ship is about 400k away. Should I be fine to drive my bike that far to get them to install the PCIII??

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Yes it's been discussed before. There is NO guaranty on how a different pipe will effect your bikes fuel map. My Leo Vince did require a PCIII.

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Your CBR should run just fine with a slip-on exhaust. You don't need a PCIII at all since the s/o doesn't change the air/fuel ratio much, if at all, from stock. If you're planning on adding a full system (header) later or an aftermarket air filter, then you'll need it.

I just installed an Arrow Indy-Race slipon a few days ago. My RR is 100% stock otherwise and it runs perfectly, with no issues.
Not an accurate statement. You can't predict how his pipe will effect his bikes fuel map. No one can. If you change ANY part that could effect the fuel map you could run into problems. Heavy loping on cold starts, bad fuel mileage, and hesitation/lag at certain rpm levels are just a few potential problems. Left unchecked this can lead to carbon build-up and plug fouling.

You can take a chance and see how it goes. But if you start seeing any of the symptoms described above get the fuel map checked. :hump:


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I'm sure this has been asked before, but I can't find it. Anyways, just installed the slip-on, but feel I don't have the skills/talent to install the PCIII. The Honda dealer ship is about 400k away. Should I be fine to drive my bike that far to get them to install the PCIII??

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Driving to the dealership should be fine as long as you're not running lean. Keep an eye on your temps for any increase. Are they going to be dyno tuning the bike also? If not, save your money. It's easier than you think. Especially if you've already installed the SO by yourself.


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Thanks guyz, I do plan on installing the PCIII, I just need to drive about 4hrs to get to my dealer. SOrry about the double post, was not intentional!!
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^NP bro. GL!


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The worst part about the pc3 install is getting the injector plugs off. It really helps if you have good hands. Also while you are in there pull open your airbox and slip a 5/8 rubber cap over your pair inlet. That will make tuning much easier.
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Here's an email from Akrapovič regarding their slip-on:
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Dear sir,

Our systems are designed to work properly on stock engine managment, so no changes are needed, this is your option or wish. All power measurements that we make are based on complete stock bikes.

Thank you for your question,

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I will say again....

No one....can predict....how a pipe....will effect....your bikes fuel map. Not even the pipe manufacturer or Honda can predict with 100% certainty all of the variables. That's why some motors get better HP and some get better MPG.


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I will say again....

No one....can predict....how a pipe....will effect....your bikes fuel map. Not even the pipe manufacturer or Honda can predict with 100% certainty all of the variables. That's why some motors get better HP and some get better MPG.
Does each and every CBR600RR leave the factory with a custom map?
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Nope....That's why they are all different. That's why we buy PCIII's to optimize the fuel map to our bikes individual variables. They might be relatively close. But they are all a little different. That's why when you change something that effects the fuel map (i.e. exhaust pipe, air filter, velocity stacks), it can have a different outcome on each bike.


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I'd be willing to bet that variables in air temperature, pressure and humidity have a greater affect on bike performance than variables between each individual Akra slip-on
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I'd be willing to bet that variables in air temperature, pressure and humidity have a greater affect on bike performance than variables between each individual Akra slip-on
I totally agree.

But the variables that I'm talking about are not in the aftermarket pipe but rather in the valve clearances, camshafts, fuel injectors, velocity stacks, etc...Variables in the bike production.


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I totally agree.

But the variables that I'm talking about are not in the aftermarket pipe but rather in the valve clearances, camshafts, fuel injectors, velocity stacks, etc...Variables in the bike production.
If you're talking about pure Honda factory and street riding then I think that's splitting hairs
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If you're talking about pure Honda factory and street riding then I think that's splitting hairs
Dyno sheets from various bikes will prove otherwise.


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All on the exact same Dyno under the exact same conditions with factory fresh bikes? I'd like to see those sheets
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Go to a free dyno run promo and watch the stock bikes. I'm sure their will be a local shop doing a promo sometime this summer.

You can run 6 stock bikes and come back with 6 different fuel maps and performance curves. Those small variables do make a difference.


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Go to a free dyno run promo and watch the stock bikes. I'm sure their will be a local shop doing a promo sometime this summer.

You can run 6 stock bikes and come back with 6 different fuel maps and performance curves. Those small variables do make a difference.
Give me a performance differential by percentage. What's the error rate of the Dyno?
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It's much easier just to hold two dyno sheets up to the light and compare them.

Error rate for the dyno? Are you trying to say that the dyno is causing the difference from 2 "identical" bikes?


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It's much easier just to hold two dyno sheets up to the light and compare them.

Error rate for the dyno? Are you trying to say that the dyno is causing the difference from 2 "identical" bikes?
What I'm saying is that even if you Dyno'd the same bike twice, there will be a slight difference in results. Dynos are not perfect either and have an error rate
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