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pc3 with maps unburnt fuel

hey guys i have a 2005 600rr with a micron slip-on with a k&n fliter and i have uploaded the corresponding map onto the pc3 but the exhaust still pops and smells of unburnt fuel...any ideas?
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Go and block off the PAIR system and go get an actual custom map made for your bike. The maps on the dynojet website are okay, but not nearly as awesome as a custom map. Problem solved.

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sweet well i'll take it to go get some dyno time..one more question though..i am new to this so just asking what do you mean by the PAIR?
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Will just unplugging the 02 sensor be fine?
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maybe i have yet to try that..its been raining like crazy in texas.. would the map sensor not getting a correct reading just add more fuel?
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You would not want to unplug the map sensor. The 49 state model bike does not have a o2 sensor in the exhaust. Just block off the smog (PAIR) system and that will keep clean air from being pushed in the exhaust. Then you can go and get a good custom map for your PCIII. You wont be disappointed, at least I was not when I got one.

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is there a way to check and see if a particular model has an O2 sensor or not?
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Only california models have an o2 sensor (at least on the 03-06 models) I know the new models have some sensor type thing (maybe pressure, i stop staying on top of the new models stuff b/c then I will be more tempted to buy one).

You could also look at your exhaust. If there is a sensor in this location:


Then you do.

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Go and block off the PAIR system and go get an actual custom map made for your bike. The maps on the dynojet website are okay, but not nearly as awesome as a custom map. Problem solved.



even though I wouldnt even say that the maps are OK. Getting a custom map is a must.


i remember when I put the arrow headers on and did the custom map... the combo of having a full exhaust (no cat) and PAIR block off plates changed the fumes and made my eyes water all the time.

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^ yeah i just wanted to sugar coat it... The stock maps/online maps are junk. There is really no great benefit to get a power commander without a custom map.

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^ yeah i just wanted to sugar coat it... The stock maps/online maps are junk. There is really no great benefit to get a power commander without a custom map.

=+2 Custom map works the best and once you have one... you never have to think about it again.

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very true..but i dont have any money to use for dyno time yet (school).. but would a fouled plug do that...cause i hooked the map back up cause it was throwing a code but it still burns rich and sounds like a v-twin kinda.. and the rpm's will jump between 1500 and a thousand..also when i get on it it feels like there is no power then all of a sudden ,bang!,there's the power.also pops almost everytime i change the throttle position..
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if it wasnt doing it when the bike was stock then its def. the map.
You just have to adjust the afr and make it less rich.
that "v-twin" sound is the engine basically drowning in fuel. Too much fuel and its not burning properly. Mine did the same when I installed my Bazzaz with a "slip-on" map that it came with. Same thing with the jumpiness. Running the bike like that is harmful for the motor (same thing if its too lean).

My suggestion is to use the Search button for PC3 maps and see which members on here are willing to share their maps (there arent many). PM them and at least run one of those maps for the time being until you can have it tuned. Try to get SOMETHING before you continue riding with it like it is.

You could also get a self-tune kit i believe for your PC just like there is for the Bazzaz. Thats what I did with my bike.

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sweet i'm searching now.. and will look up self tune kit.. i'll let you guys know what happens..
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Be prepared to spend more on a self tune kit then a custom map. I got my custom map for $150 (unlimited pulls tell the maps was perfect), I think those tune kits are most expensive than that.

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Be prepared to spend more on a self tune kit then a custom map. I got my custom map for $150 (unlimited pulls tell the maps was perfect), I think those tune kits are most expensive than that.




With the self tune, you can actually set the proper AFR through the full rpm range for both STREET and TRACK. whereas taking it to a dyno to get it done they mainly focus on "flat-out" acceleration.
Say you move and now ride in different elevations/climate/temps. you can adjust your map accordingly. OR even if you go to different tracks, you'll find that the maps will turn out slighly different at every track.
Not to mention that as you break in your bike the afr will change on its own and you can just readjust accordingly when the time comes.


Sooo lets see...

In the long run, not only does it save you money, but its more convenient and the fact that you were able to tune your bike yourself will bring an even bigger sense of pride for your ride.

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If you don't have the money for a map or self tune kit... whatever. I'd pull the PC out and just run stock map. I had a slip on and it made my bike run rich but nowhere as bad as yours is doing.

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If you don't have the money for a map or self tune kit... whatever. I'd pull the PC out and just run stock map. I had a slip on and it made my bike run rich but nowhere as bad as yours is doing.

you must have lucked out then

A lot of bikes I've seen during/after the installation of an FI unit showed similar issues.

I found this a few months back when I was doing my homework on adjusting my own AFR:
http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80485

Between the occasional "yami b.s." in that thread there's tons of info.

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yeah a self tune kit would be cool..but im going to run a map i found on here and see if that helps the situation.. if it does not then i'll buy the self tune as a early christmas present to myself
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you must have lucked out then

A lot of bikes I've seen during/after the installation of an FI unit showed similar issues.

I found this a few months back when I was doing my homework on adjusting my own AFR:
http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80485

Between the occasional "yami b.s." in that thread there's tons of info.
I was meaning remove the Power commander. Just run the fuel injection stock. No downloaded map, no PC.

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That would be the same a running all 0's. No need to take the unit out.

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i just hooked up the map thst i got from here and it's still jumpy and still sounds like a v-twin kinda..better but still kinda sounds like it...ima check the plugs this weekend..
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ok scratch that i fixed the jumpiness issue.. cause it was idleing at like 1000-1100 so i tinkered and now it idles right at 1400 and it does not jump but kinda has little brain farts and will spurt between 1400 and 1500 still has a little backfire but ima check the plugs first this weekend and if there good i'll adjust the afr accordingly :)
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ok scratch that i fixed the jumpiness issue.. cause it was idleing at like 1000-1100 so i tinkered and now it idles right at 1400 and it does not jump but kinda has little brain farts and will spurt between 1400 and 1500 still has a little backfire but ima check the plugs first this weekend and if there good i'll adjust the afr accordingly :)


some advice:

in most cases you can make the idle somewhat lean. Becasue there is no load during idle, a "slight" lean-ness will do no harm to the motor. This usually fixes most of the idle jumpiness and keeps it smoother (specially when warming up).
Just make sure that the afr does not stay lean as the rpms leave the "no-load" area.


Also, HAVE FUN! I love testing maps and adjusting them.

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will the pc3 tell me if its lean and rich as far as the green indicator bars? cause i know if its runnin rich cause of the smell but how will i know if its lean? oh by the way
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will the pc3 tell me if its lean and rich as far as the green indicator bars? cause i know if its runnin rich cause of the smell but how will i know if its lean? oh by the way


well , by smell or sound alone is definitely not a good way to go about it. I'm not too familiar with the actual features of the PC, Im more familiar with Bazzaz, but I know there's plenty of members here with some info. Wait for some replies, if not, then try to do some homework of your own online and see what you can do yourself.

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got it..i'll check online and see what i find and i'll also just wait for some info from here
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The green bars do nothing in regards to telling you a/f ratio. The PC3 does not have an sensor to read the air. Hence the anus sniffer they shove into the exhaust when they tune your bike. The green bars (low,mid,high) only allow you to make fuel changes on the go.

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how do i adjust it "on the go"
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how do i adjust it "on the go"
If I am not mistaken all you need to do is push the button on the pc unit it self (Low-Mid-High) depending on the type of riding you are doing. You can always refer to the power commander user manual on how to switch the mode.

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