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Question fuel additive/cleaner?

so i just hit 30,000 miles just wondering if i should use some fuel injector cleaner. the bike is dyno tuned pwr comander with Custom tune. valve clearance still good, just wondering if it would hurt anything. gas mileage is still very good 140 to 150 miles per tank. its geared +3 rear sprcket so i cruise freeway speed at 9,000 rpm.
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FYI. fuel cleaners and additives are a waste of money, people complain about how much gas is but yet people are will to spend $$$ for crap that already comes in quality gas these days like chevron with techron and so on. i personally dont use chevron for every fill up, maybe once every 6 months because of how much cleaning additives they have. the way i see it, chevron is more of a cleaner than gas so you dont get as much performance as you would from a station that uses little or no additives.
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FYI. fuel cleaners and additives are a waste of money, people complain about how much gas is but yet people are will to spend $$$ for crap that already comes in quality gas these days like chevron with techron and so on. i personally dont use chevron for every fill up, maybe once every 6 months because of how much cleaning additives they have. the way i see it, chevron is more of a cleaner than gas so you dont get as much performance as you would from a station that uses little or no additives.
That's just crazy, they have the same octane as the rest of them. The additives do not take away from performance just your wallet.
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clean the injectors yourself mang. theyre easy to get to and come off easy.






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ha well i use shell with that nitrogen so maybe my valves are clean enough. i have seen some pretty gunked up valves and pistons in the automotive industy just wondering if our bikes get the same way????
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That's just crazy, they have the same octane as the rest of them. The additives do not take away from performance just your wallet.
well most track guys (cars) that also use that same car everyday driving usually try not to pump chevron a few tanks before going to the track.
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ha well i use shell with that nitrogen so maybe my valves are clean enough. i have seen some pretty gunked up valves and pistons in the automotive industy just wondering if our bikes get the same way????
yes, they get the same way.






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ha well i use shell with that nitrogen so maybe my valves are clean enough. i have seen some pretty gunked up valves and pistons in the automotive industy just wondering if our bikes get the same way????
on bikes the gunked up valves happen when you ride a bike that revs to 16k but spends all its time under 5k. happen to a friend. not sure if that was the real reason since he got the bike used. a few months later it wouldnt start and the tech told him that his entire head needed cleaning.
a couple of redlines a day should keep the engine nice and clean and i use Shell as well.

havent been to any 76 in a few years but when i was doing my own testing with my car, i tried all kinds of difference gas brands and find that 76 burned the fastest thru my car and chevorn lasted the longest *more mpg*
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yeah 76 has the 101 octane for a little more pwr. i used it when i did my track day-but maybe it was all in my head. ill just wait till i notice pwr loss or poor fuel mileage. thanks for all the info.
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yea, why fixed what is not broken
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yeah 76 has the 101 octane for a little more pwr. i used it when i did my track day-but maybe it was all in my head. ill just wait till i notice pwr loss or poor fuel mileage. thanks for all the info.
higher octane Does not equal more power, fyi

higher octane actually has a higher resistantance to explosions, which means, its actually lower power.

High octane is needed to offset the problems that the power adding things cause (pre detonation, pinging)


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just because a group of people do something, doesn't mean it has any merit. I'd like to see actual dynos of the different gasolines, rather than just saying some guys do this.

Like it was mentioned above, higher octane, if your bike / car is not tuned for it, actually gives less power. You would need to have your car dyno tuned for 93, then use 91 to have less power.

All 91 octane gas needs to be at 91 octane minimum, and it would cost more to have the gas at 93 or above, so they all should be around 91 octane.

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this might be wrong but last time i heard, cars and trucks that require premium fuel actually need 93 and not 91 octane. premium only cars are tuned for 93 and not 91.
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California only has 91. As a result, my statement still stands, as its unlikely that any refinery in CA will decide to make 93 octane gas and sell it as 91 octane just for good measure

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i now CA only has 91 but cars that run premium actually are tuned to run on 93 but since they have variable timing and knock sensors, cars in CA can get away with just 91 but 93 would be better.
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yeah, if its the case that the cars are supposed to run on 93, then 93 would run better than 91...

but the comparison of 93 to 91 came up because I wrote that it was doubtful that a non-chevron gas thats labeled at 91 octane would be 93 octane. As a result, most likely all of the gasolines are in the 91 octane area, and there shouldn't be a noticeable power difference that you would need to not use chevron for 2 or 3 gas tanks prior to the track.

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yeah, if its the case that the cars are supposed to run on 93, then 93 would run better than 91...

but the comparison of 93 to 91 came up because I wrote that it was doubtful that a non-chevron gas thats labeled at 91 octane would be 93 octane. As a result, most likely all of the gasolines are in the 91 octane area, and there shouldn't be a noticeable power difference that you would need to not use chevron for 2 or 3 gas tanks prior to the track.
just to be clear, i never said that any gas station was labeling any 93 octane as 91. besides the high the octane the higher the resistance to burning or igniting. adding additives usually dont carry any useful energy when igniting other than cleaning so why would it not stay at 91 octane. i never said that gas with additives wasnt still 91 octane, just carries less of a punch when used
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