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Dyno result questions (charts included)

I got the bike dyno'd and am a little confused. Granted, I did the base run on a different dyno which had high numbers. I will do a final dyno there when done.

Stock at dyno 1 said 109 (sounded a little odd at first)
put on the full hama, and pc with base map and took to shop to have tuned on dyno 2.
According to chart, dyno 2 said it was 107 with stuff bolted on (chart is labeled stock, but it was with the pipe and pc)

Used a modified erion map and got it up to 109.1

Also, they said 13 to 1 was ideal air-gas ratio. Isn't lambda 14 to 1?

Can you look at the two charts and let me know what you guys think? I know it means ****, since the stock dyno was done at a different place, but I want to know if I should try some more runs on it.
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WOW 2 is a horriable run! What exhaust are you running? And did you put the erion map in there? Sure it more power but the dips....You want the line as stright up as possible.

I would dump the erion map and run the stock map. Have dyno'ed. Then repost the results. I think map is ******* you **** up brother. Who is doin you work?

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no, the shop put the map in. I am running a full hamaguchi exhaust. Is 13 to 1 the ideal air-fuel ratio for bikes? I know the defined ratio for gas is 14.7 to 1
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no, the shop put the map in. I am running a full hamaguchi exhaust. Is 13 to 1 the ideal air-fuel ratio for bikes? I know the defined ratio for gas is 14.7 to 1

13 flat? Not with stock cams no, its a little lean for me. Are you racing or is it for street use?
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To lean, look @ the a/f ratio. When it leans out you getting a valley. The 1st run on has minor one but an ez fix. Dyno 2 has 2 dip where you should be making power, one with tall climb. You getting more power but @ a cost. For 600CC bike, a tuner wants to get from 7500 to redline as stright as possible.

Who are you taking it to for this?
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I only see 1 dip on run two. at 9600 rpm. Unless you are referring to the torque line and not the horsepower.
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I only see 1 dip on run two. at 9600 rpm. Unless you are referring to the torque line and not the horsepower.

Sorry I was taking about HP and TQ.
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so you reccommend I try again somewhere else for a custom map?
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so you reccommend I try again somewhere else for a custom map?
Well I dont ever like to say negitive things about another shop. But them just throwing any old map in there and then leaning the piss out of the bike thats going to used for the street has me kinda worried, but that is only my opinion.

Also have them do a new basline too with stock map.

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the other place says they do their maps from scratch and start with a baseline. Not really sure what that means, as I am new to the whole mapping aspect of bikes. Just going to have to wait until the next paycheck to be able to afford them.
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the other place says they do their maps from scratch and start with a baseline. Not really sure what that means, as I am new to the whole mapping aspect of bikes. Just going to have to wait until the next paycheck to be able to afford them.

Well that is good. It will show what it looks like form stock(Tell them to take the current map out and put the stock map in) and what it looks like after the tunning and final run. What are the charging you?
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well, it was already run "stock stock" at this place, so they will already have that saved. I would need the map reset to stock map, with exhaust and then work from there. The place I would go to charges 450 flat rate for a custom mapping.
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well, it was already run "stock stock" at this place, so they will already have that saved. I would need the map reset to stock map, with exhaust and then work from there. The place I would go to charges 450 flat rate for a custom mapping.
Thats a little high but if they know what they are doing then splurge a little.
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Thats a little high but if they know what they are doing then splurge a little.
well, there are only two places in the area that dyno tune bikes. I I went to. The other is the one I would go to next. Other than that, I would have to go to the next state
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13:1 is more than safe, any richer than that is a toss. Like I said in the pm, ideally you'd richen the top end up a lil, as it is about 13.2-13.4:1 right up high in the rpm, but other than that, the air/fuel at 100% is OK. But did they change the other TP's or just 100%? As for the dips, you will never get those dips out unless you rob it of h.p where it's peaking to match the dips. LOL and who'd do that? That is the 600RR curve my friend. Live with it. What you're saying is right to a point, but you canonly work with what you have as a base line. ALL 600RR's have those dips and rises, the exhaust will have more of an effect than the mapping will in regard to changing the dips etc. Have fun.
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107 HP stock seem really high to me, I just did a base run and it only came out to 97 HP, which from the sounds of it is about average. Mines is an '03 and maybe yours is an '05 but that still seems high for stock.

I also don't think you can slap on a premade map and hope to have the best results, I figure if you're going to spend the money on all these dyno runs you might as well take it to a place that will custom map it. You could spend all this time trying these premade maps or you can get one made for your bike.
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107 HP stock seem really high to me, I just did a base run and it only came out to 97 HP, which from the sounds of it is about average. Mines is an '03 and maybe yours is an '05 but that still seems high for stock.

I also don't think you can slap on a premade map and hope to have the best results, I figure if you're going to spend the money on all these dyno runs you might as well take it to a place that will custom map it. You could spend all this time trying these premade maps or you can get one made for your bike.
107 is not all stock. I stated earlier that they labelled it stock on the map, but it is how it came into the shop. With a pcIII and full hama exhaust.
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Sorry I ment the initial 109 run, not the 107 run with the goodies and the stock map.
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yeah, it does. Either way, I am getting it redone at the place where I got the original test run done, so it will at least show relative gains from stock, and then again with a decent custom map. I'll repost when done.
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Can we forget this "high" and "low" Bullshiit? No such thing and has NO relavence what so ever. All you're intersted in is gains. We'll see a better comparison once he gets on the original dyno and has a proper map made, as that one was only done at 100% throttle. Have fun
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Got an appointment scheduled for Thursday next week. results will be posted Fri AM.
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