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Where's My HP?

Was thumbing thru July's Sport Rider and saw their dyno for the RR to be @ 105.6hp & 44.8 ft/lbs tq. I'm not even passed 100hp WITH my mods...wtf?
Could it be the dyno reading or is my bike all crapped out now? Any ideas?

(copied my post from a VS thread)

Found my charts. Before (Blue) and After (Red).

Bike info =
2005 CBR600RR - 8700 miles (under 6krpm for first 600/breakin)
Yoshimura RS-5 Carbon Cone End cap Slip-on
Factory Pro Velocity Stacks - Installed to 2nd chart
BMC Filter - Installed to 2nd chart
PCIII USB - Installed to 2nd chart
HRC 1/5 turn Throttle
EVAP Canister/Smog System still Connected
15/45 520 chain+sprockets with speedohealer
Rear tire pressure = 32psi
Honda GN4 20/50
Premium/91 octane from Shell...V-POWER!!!

Don't know if some of these things even matter but eh.

They gave me the map on a jump drive.
So if anyone running a similar setup want the map....

http://www.zshare.net/download/05-60...i-map-zip.html

So here's what it do do....
How the hell do you read this? lol
BEFORE/BASE RUN



AFTER/TUNED RESULTS
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not only is it mostly a dyno difference issue but magazines arent worth sh1t anyway.

barely 100hp still seems slightly low though. that yoshi may be some of the issue. i know guys on bikes other than suzuki (who yosh sponsors) who are dissapointed with their yoshis and are actually losing power over stock. another thing may be the thicker 20/50 oil believe it or not.
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I'd say it's more the dyno than the pipe. I haven't seen a 600RR lose power with a pipe yet, but depending on the dyno, they'll give anything from 96-105 stock, depending on the dyno. Forget it, it's really pointless comparing your figures to anything other than a bike from the same dyno you used. Not the same brand, or same area, the exact same dyno.


PS: I cannot believe I just defended a post against Yosh pipes. Haha But anyway. What I will add to Potate's post is that it's the same deal withtheir lack of h.p gains for Suzuki as it is for every other bike. There's no magic in a Suzuki engine that only Yosh know about. LOL

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Your bike was run on an Eddy Current dyno. The true HP numbers they give are more accurate than those of the typical DynoJet dynos.
Your bike is right in line with DynoJet numbers, as 90HP on an Eddy Current is ~103HP on a DynoJet, and 100 on EC is ~115HP on a DJ.
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plus sport rider uses "corrected" hp numbers.

Btw,you have a hrc 1/6th turn throttle.
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"Your bike was run on an Eddy Current dyno. The true HP numbers they give are more accurate than those of the typical DynoJet dynos. "

You guys really need to start reading more up to date websites and forgetting the absolute BS that Factory Pro gon with. Seriously, ANY Dynojet dyno that has a brake on it, or runs tuning link etc IS an eddy current dyno. And on my experience, most of these dyno's or people that crap on about Dynojet dyno's not being that way, and talk about PC's and refering to the old PCII's for their comparison are just tools, and that their dynos usually read higher than Dynojets eddy current dyno's but anyway, I'm done.
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Yes, DynoJet now makes an Eddy Current dyno, and their old dynos can be upgraded to an Eddy Current.
It is not B.S. at all, just many old DynoJet kool-aid drinkers refused to see the light. DynoJet did realize that the other system was better and quietly changed their tune.

What I stated holds true. An Eddy Current dyno - whether Factory or DynoJet (happy now, sookie?) will read lower than the old DynoJet B.S. system, period. Eddy Current systems flat read better and more accurate. Factory Pro was right, and DynoJet had to compensate. Stop drinking the DJ kool-aid once in a while, and get up to date information.
All the real tuners have upgraded to Eddy Current systems so they can tune properly.

Doesn't matter if it was run on a Factory (which all DJ pansies hate) or a DJ version Eddy Current, it is the same thing.
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hahahaha yeah but how many people now, I mean seriously, how many people that map bikes run the OLD dyno, it ain't a recent thing, and to put load on the bike, and as bikes changed (coz load on carb'd bikes doesn't change jack really, carb and throttle are the same regardless on carb'd bike are they not?) so did Dynojet. I seriously doubt Dynojet chaged anything under pressure from Factory Pro, (bwaaaahahahha) but anyway. What I said was right and to this day, on their site you'll see why their dyno is better than 10 y/o dynojet models and the very first PC's compared to what they use. NO comparison to PCIII's or USB's and apparently, dynojet don't make eddy current dyno's, go read the site, they will tell you. LOL

But as I have pointed out in the past, in the grand scheme of things, FP are irrelevent in comparison to DJ, plain and simple. I just get pist when people make sweeping statements about how FP dyno's read lower than DJ's coz they aren't eddy current. Like YOU DID say. It just ain't true in most cases later than the jurassic period. LOL
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why tire pressure at 32?
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my guess would be gearing. 15/45, which gear did you dyno on?

dont forget the other factors of where they dyno'd: altitude, temperature, etc.

our california editions have cats, too. i think your slip-on would be less restrictive without the cat.

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Really, sookie? DynoJet "don't make Eddy Current dyno's"?
I understand you are a few years behind up-to-date tuners, but have a gander here:
http://www.dynojet.com/motorcycle_dy...dyno/index.php
Shock!! Look at that!!! Maybe you should talk to a DJ rep more than once a decade.
Yes, DynoJet has an Eddy Current system as well as an upgrade kit to their old crap.
Yes, they measure lower. All GOOD tuners know this.
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LOL......wow.
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"Really, sookie? DynoJet "don't make Eddy Current dyno's"?
I understand you are a few years behind up-to-date tuners, but have a gander here:
http://www.dynojet.com/motorcycle_d..._dyno/index.php
Shock!! Look at that!!! Maybe you should talk to a DJ rep more than once a decade.
Yes, DynoJet has an Eddy Current system as well as an upgrade kit to their old crap.
Yes, they measure lower. All GOOD tuners know this."

Are you on drugs dude? where did I say that dynojet didn't make eddy current dyno's? That was my argument against what you said in the freakin first place.

HURRROOOOOO????

No wonder you have troubles understanding what it's all about. Hahaha I said this:

"I just get pist when people make sweeping statements about how FP dyno's read lower than DJ's coz they aren't eddy current. Like YOU DID say!,"

Because you DID say that the FP's read lower coz DJ's are NOT eddy current, did you not? Oh man, I can't believe I had to point this out. LOL. And just to make sure you get it, you said this:

"Your bike was run on an Eddy Current dyno. The true HP numbers they give are more accurate than those of the typical DynoJet dynos.
Your bike is right in line with DynoJet numbers, as 90HP on an Eddy Current is ~103HP on a DynoJet, and 100 on EC is ~115HP on a DJ."

Once again, and no matter how much you try and spin it, you're full of it. Thanks
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....blah blah........dynojet don't make eddy current dyno's, go read the site, they will tell you. LOL
Right there, moron. You can't even remember a few posts up with all the double talk and BS you spread around the web.
try keeping your stories in line every once in a while.
Yes, Eddy Current systems read lower than old DJ systems. It is a fact, DJ even knows and talks about it.
I'd have you try running the same bike back to back on an old DJ system and a new 250i system, but you're a small-time shop, not a real race tune shop. Not a good enough tuner to handle a load control Eddy Current system.
I had this very thing done at a local shop. They still have their old DJ system and just got a new one. We ran it on both, back to back.
The Eddy Current system read 11HP lower.
Yes, it is a fact, no matter how much smoke you continually try to blow up other's skirts, you are wrong. But that's par for your course all over the web.
you may be able to snow some, but not others.
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Mate seriously you need to learn to read and comprehend what you read. Go read their (factory Pro's) site, coz again that is who I was talking about in response to your fact filled info on his dyno numbers.

In referecne to Factory Pro:
"on their site you'll see why their dyno is better than 10 y/o dynojet models and the very first PC's compared to what they use. NO comparison to PCIII's or USB's and apparently, dynojet don't make eddy current dyno's, go read the site, they will tell you. LOL "

Fill in the Blah blah's and it suddenly makes sense does it not? well, maybe not if you read "blah blah" out of that. THEY is FP doofus.

Did you read where I also said this? It was only my first comment to your wealth of knowledge. Hurroo??


"You guys really need to start reading more up to date websites and forgetting the absolute BS that Factory Pro gon with. Seriously, ANY Dynojet dyno that has a brake on it, or runs tuning link etc IS an eddy current dyno. "

As for my tuning etc, LOL You're the expert, I can't argue with that, I've got nuthin'. Hahaha

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"my guess would be gearing. 15/45, which gear did you dyno on?"

BTW, gearing has nothing to do with the peak hp figure either.
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What I will add to Potate's post is that it's the same deal withtheir lack of h.p gains for Suzuki as it is for every other bike. There's no magic in a Suzuki engine that only Yosh know about. LOL
well i figured at least they would have some more research and whatnot into a suzuki but you're right i guess it couldnt be all THAT much different. probably why they can get away with slappin a different clamp end onto every slipon they make and sellin it for every kind of bike pretty much.

the guy dissapointed with his and who said he felt like he was actually losing power was on an R6
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Tell you what, sook. you've been caught with your pants down in another spreading of crap, but I'll just let you keep on thinking you're some kind of moto-God here. Those that have been snowed by you can continue to think you actually know what you're talking about, while the rest of us on all the other boards you've shown your hand to will know.
You're wrong, many people know you're wrong. You refuse to ever accept any other input from real tuners and refuse to ever accept the many times you've been wrong.
It is just flat out proven fact that EC dynos read a lower number than old DJ systems. ALL good tuners know this, you never will.
Spin it all you'd like, but you were caught out. Again. I know you have a hard time with the English language above the 6th grade level, but you'll get it eventually.
Keep on screwing up, as it's so much fun to watch and call you on.

Hey, since you think you're Colin's best friend and hang out with him all the time, tell us which WSBK team he's going to be with next year?
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hey BDA116... do you realise you just said exactly the same thing as birdman said?

"It is just flat out proven fact that EC dynos read a lower number than old DJ systems. ALL good tuners know this, you never will."

old being the important word here. you haven't specified how old, birdman (who actually speaks with the companies) has already said that its the REALLY old ones.

P.S. it's interesting to read that you keep changing what you say while avoiding the main point of birdmans argument (which he keeps repeating) until you eventually say the same thing as he says and claim it as your own thought. are you a politician by any chance?

P.P.S. when you say things to the effect of 'gearing changes the dyno reading', it really puts a hole in your arguments. it shows you don't have a clue what you are saying. go do some research and learn a thing or two, then talk with people who have.

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hahahah bda, as odd just pointed out, you're a dill, you will not show me ONE person that has proven me wrong about mapping etc on a forum, except for dills like you that keep spewing shiit, without really having any idea what so ever. You get you and 2 of your bum buddies on a forum that think the same stupid crap, and yeah, you'd prove (to yourself) that Dan Kyle is wrong, Ten Kate is wrong, who ever you don't like etc etc) PLEASE show me where I said, that my dyno and other Dynojet dyno's are NOT eddy current. Oh man, you surely cannot be this stupid without trying really hard. Go re-read the thread again and once you wake up to yourself and see you've just made a tool of yourself, reply again and I'll accept your apology. haha Or, you can just keep wandering through fantasy land, up to you.


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Birdman all I ever hear from you is how stupid people are and how smart and correct you are.

Now what exactly are your qualifications? At first I just figured you had a lot of exprience, but you get worked up way to easily.

So yeah, are you a mechanic on a MOTOGP team or something?


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hahaha No Kul and I am not out to put people down or say they are stupid. I am here to steer people in the right direction when tools like bda say stuff like it's gospel when in fact they don't know jack. I have gone hard on this thread coz I have had dealings with this idiot in another forum. One thing you have never seen me post is that I am smart. I am a knock about idiot most of the time, but I DO own and run my own dyno and bike tuning shop and I do map bikes for the likes of the Factory Yamaha team in Oz, I mapped Anthony Goberts 1000RR last year, the Factory Ducati teams 999 the year we were their competition, etc etc.

Is that good enough for you? Or you'd rather take advice from people like bda? Up to you, if you're happy getting absolute shite for advice, I'll go and you can all carry on. I get worked up coz I am committed and passionate about what I do and came to forums like this coz of what people get told on forums and then walk into shops sprouting like it's the truth when all it is, is rubbish that someone like bda has told them.

But whatever, up to you.
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I DO own and run my own dyno and bike tuning shop and I do map bikes for the likes of the Factory Yamaha team in Oz, I mapped Anthony Goberts 1000RR last year, the Factory Ducati teams 999 the year we were their competition, etc etc.

That would deffinately qualify you as a knowledgeable person in my book. =)

Just take it easy man, flaming out means less respect. If you know so much and obviously you do just state the facts and if someone chooses to ignore your obviously valuable advice then screw em. Who gives a dayum, it ain't your bike they are f*cking up


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kelsy, do you know many aussies? hahaha
its in their blood but they dont mean any harm by it
they are all good bastarrds by all accounts!!!

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kelsy, do you know many aussies? hahaha
its in their blood but they dont mean any harm by it
they are all good bastarrds by all accounts!!!

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No I'm not familiar with any aussies. Just a bunch of Irish bastards haha =D


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and that is saying something coming from a Kiwi. LOL Thanks Golly. In any case, if you read my "forum imposed" signature, you'll get the idea. Haha
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No I'm not familiar with any aussies. Just a bunch of Irish bastards haha =D
virtually the same... just more drinking, less whining and we're faster on motorbikes

*note, i am not racist, i have an irish mate reading this over my shoulder*
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virtually the same... just more drinking, less whining and we're faster on motorbikes

*note, i am not racist, i have an irish mate reading this over my shoulder*
MORE drinking? LOL I didn't know that was possible.

Racist? come on man **** them PC mother fuckers. They ruin everything.


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i'll be nice and won't mention american beer... on the other hand

q) what's the difference between american beer and having sex on the beach?

a) nothing. they're both ******* close to water!!!
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha hahahahahahahhahaha for OMG

"Racist? come on man **** them PC mother fuckers. They ruin everything"

You mean like how we can't buy a Bacon and chicken burger in many KFC's out here now coz Muslims don't like it? You sir are correct.
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