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Results from Custom Mapping/Tuning Session Today

42 miles ago, I installed some Factory Pro Velocity Stacks, BMC "Race" Air Filter and removed the PAIR Valve (using Dan Kyle block off plates) on my '04 600RR. As a result, I decided it was time for a custom map as I also had an Akrapovic Slip-On. During all of this installation work, I also did an oil change so the bike had very fresh oil in it. This time around I put in Red Line 10W-40, as I was too lazy to get my AMSOIL 10W-40 motorcycle oil that I've been using since I switched to synthetic.

The guy who did the tuning is Mike Velasco (http://www.brotherspowersports.com/default.asp, an "approved Dynojet Power Commander Tuning Center"), one of 2 "reputable tuners" here in the Seattle area. Mike has worked with "Freddie Spencer. Fred Merkel, Dave Sadowski, Mike Sullivan, Larry Pegram, Buddy Antunez, Brad Hagseth, Ryan Villopoto, Kevin Urquhart, and many others!"

After installing the new goodies, I loaded the PC with an off the shelf map from the Power Commander site. It was a custom map for a "European Model, Akrapovic slip-on and stock air filter". I'm really kicking myself at this choice, as this map served as the baseline today prior to the custom tuning by Mike. I wish I would have loaded a "zero" map instead. Oh well I guess. I'm still very happy with the results.

Here are the results:

Note: The baseline map was an off the shelf map from the Power Commander site for a European '03 with an Akrapovic S/O and stock air filter.


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'04 600RR with 6,297 miles on it after the tuning. It has a PC3 w/ Accelerator Pump disabled, Factory Pro Velocity stacks, BMC "Race" air filter, Akrapovic titanium slip-on, PAIR Valve removed with use of block-off plates, fresh Red Line 10w-40 oil, Pilot Powers that were 36F/35R cold (about 800+ miles on them with 3 or so track days), stock chain and gearing, Chevron 92 pump gas, and the dyno was done in 4th gear.

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Those are really nice numbers and a good linear power curve, it looks like you are going to enjoy the smoother power after tuning.
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113 hp that is impressive ! Also note the smoother power curve !

Is the before and after difference only with the custom map ?

Or is the before (before you installed the pipe and stacks) ?

I'm forever curious about what impact the stacks alone provide.

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Yeah, trying to make a comparison from a Euro map to the custom map is pretty much pointless. We all know the Euro map was way off to begin with. However, knowing the normal curve for the 03-04 models I would say you wound up with a nice curve in the end. Your torque curve shows a vast improvement over the stock curve. I just wish someone would post a before and after with nothing but the VS's so I could see how they affect the curve by themselves. I know they're moving the power curve but I'm not sure where.


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113 hp that is impressive ! Also note the smoother power curve !
Is the before and after difference only with the custom map ?
Yes, that is correct.

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Yeah, trying to make a comparison from a Euro map to the custom map is pretty much pointless. We all know the Euro map was way off to begin with. However, knowing the normal curve for the 03-04 models I would say you wound up with a nice curve in the end. Your torque curve shows a vast improvement over the stock curve. I just wish someone would post a before and after with nothing but the VS's so I could see how they affect the curve by themselves. I know they're moving the power curve but I'm not sure where.
Yeah, I wish I was able to do a true before and after regarding the velocity stacks. However, it just wasn't that feasible for me.

I viewed the velocity stacks and air filter as a "sunk cost" because I decided to not only buy them, but to install them as well so my bike was going to run them regardless. Therefore, I wanted to try and do a "before and after" of a custom map since I wanted to ensure that my bike was running optimally and what it was like when not running optimally. I'm sure there would still be a nice gain if I compared it to a "zero" map.

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I've been riding my bike a lot recently, god damn, it feels fantastic!!!

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it would have taken them all of about 2sec's to zero the map out and give you another run to show you the gains from the mapping, and I rekon they should have done it anyway, but that's beside the point, lookin good and you're obviously happy. Good work
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it would have taken them all of about 2sec's to zero the map out and give you another run to show you the gains from the mapping, and I rekon they should have done it anyway, but that's beside the point, lookin good and you're obviously happy. Good work
I agree, and I did ask him at the end to load or zero out the map so we could compare but he really didn't want to for whatever reason(s) so I didn't press the issue beyond that.

At the end of the day, I'm very happy w/ how my bike feels! Smooth power delivery, more mid-range grunt, and my bike has never performed better.

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Yeah again, that's all that matters, but interesting they didn't want to do it. Have you taken out the Cat? Or did they map it with the CAT still in it?
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Yeah again, that's all that matters, but interesting they didn't want to do it. Have you taken out the Cat? Or did they map it with the CAT still in it?
I always thought that non-CA bikes didn't have a cat?

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You thought wrong. 05 600RR's have them and they need to be removed before mapping. Prolly why they didn't wanna do a base zero run and while I'm no genius, just coz someone says they have worked with XZY racer doesn't always mean alot. Guy here does suspension, states "I worked with Mladin in the Cagive GP team" and many peiople use him for work. Problem is, all he did was get coffee and arranbge parts for them and when Mladin does set up on bikes here he has nothing to do with the guy. LOL, says alot huh. anyway, not ragging you etc,just pointing out that the bike ain't right. Ask them about it , see what they say. I know it's hard who to know to take it to etc, but that is hwat sites like this are great for. You can get an idea of what to look for, what to ask, and what to make sure they do before you go and have it done. Hope this helps, Have fun

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You thought wrong. 05 600RR's have them and they need to be removed before mapping....
Are you saying that only the '05s have them? I own both an '04 and '05, but the '04 is the one that was tuned.

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Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy then. hahahaha My bad. Nah the 04's don't have them, the 05's do, so you're sweet. hahahaha Thanks for pointing that out. lol
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Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy then. hahahaha My bad. Nah the 04's don't have them, the 05's do, so you're sweet. hahahaha Thanks for pointing that out. lol
My '05 is essentially stock :eek, so I haven't tinkered around with it to realize that it has a cat. :)

I'm much more intimate with my '04.

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What about the PAIR valve? Did they disable that?


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What about the PAIR valve? Did they disable that?
If you read my original post, I removed it from the bike :)

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Yeah, that's what I get for being lazy. What about the CAT?


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Yeah, that's what I get for being lazy. What about the CAT?

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hahahaha smart arses.
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Do tell the best way to remove the CAT ...other than getting a full exhaust system :-)

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I doubt your making 113hp!!! But nice gains that is all that matters is the gain not the output.

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Didn't know that, I own an 05... now I need a power commander, fact. pro v-stacks, and a custom map. Glad I live in seattle WA.
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Those V stacks don't look like they altered the curve much.
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Those V stacks don't look like they altered the curve much.
I keep waiting for someone to do an actual before and after comparison to find out where it moves the curve. I'd like to know just how much they change the curve and where.


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