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Cool I need Power!!!! HRC Power Up KIT

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I need to increase my engine power about +-15hp. I'm racing on brazilian championship and rules allow only to add HRC power up kit. Dont allow to change velocity intake airs, pistons and extras parts. Yamahas and Kawasakis are going to 123ho on wheel, and my cbr600rr 08 has only 110cv.

Someone to help-me? How many HP hrc power up kit can increase?

I have a RAPID BIKE RACE (8 injectors controller + ignition controller + engine brake controller + auto tune + quick shifter) + full custom made exhaust.

I'm afraid to buy HRC power up kit and results are not so good. Actually every one in brazil was leaving 600rr and going to zx6 and r6.
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Actually every one in brazil was leaving 600rr and going to zx6 and r6.
There is probably a valid reason for that.
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There is probably a valid reason for that.
Championship organization change the rules just to to equalize the differences between hondas and other brands. Only 600rr can modify cams, gaskets, springs and etc..

But I dont want to go to yamahas or kawas because I have a local honda sponsor.. So want to try to improve my engine.
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I am only curious for curiosity's sake what you find out but for help what about writing to Ten Kate Honda. If you're contesting a national series on a Honda they would probably be interested in helping. They are in the Netherlands so you might not purchase the kit from them but they could definitely tell you what it would do for you.

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mill the cylinder head 0.15mm (HRC specs), set the squish clearance to 0.60mm by using thinner head gaskets (cometic & athena make thinner head gaskets) or milling the cylinder, degree the camshafts by slotting the stock camshaft sprockets, are you racing under superstock rules where no porting of the cylinder head is allowed?


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this might help you, they're pretty cheap.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CBR600RR-07-...3dde57&vxp=mtr


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mill the cylinder head 0.15mm (HRC specs), set the squish clearance to 0.60mm by using thinner head gaskets (cometic & athena make thinner head gaskets) or milling the cylinder, degree the camshafts by slotting the stock camshaft sprockets, are you racing under superstock rules where no porting of the cylinder head is allowed?

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Yes, porting cylinder head is not allowed. How much power I can expect doing what you suggest?
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Yes, porting cylinder head is not allowed. How much power I can expect doing what you suggest?
maybe +5 to +10hp at the most along with radius cut valve seats, it's so hard to get power out of these engines in superstock trim but with a good mechanic you might be able to pull it off.

you can also free up a little hp by making the oil clearances on the crankshaft bearings larger & use thinner viscosity oil like 10W30 for racing, every little bit helps.


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Without cylinder head tunning only milling, HRC electronics and HRC upper kit expect around 120hp at the back wheel

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I have HRC cams, ECU, JE pistons, ceramic bearings, decked head, and some other common race motor mods. It puts 122.4hp 48.1 tq to the wheel. I did the cams last and they added only 2 hp but much better power curve. In my opinion going the Honda route is a waste. I could have had a 130 hp yamaha for less money.


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I have HRC cams, ECU, JE pistons, ceramic bearings, decked head, and some other common race motor mods. It puts 122.4hp 48.1 tq to the wheel. I did the cams last and they added only 2 hp but much better power curve. In my opinion going the Honda route is a waste. I could have had a 130 hp yamaha for less money.


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Bingo. There is the winner.

Honda wins for durability and rideability, but it is the most difficult and expensive to get more ponies from. This applies to pretty much all of their bikes.
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Bingo. There is the winner.

Honda wins for durability and rideability, but it is the most difficult and expensive to get more ponies from. This applies to pretty much all of their bikes.
Certainly. That's been their MO for years. They want it to be a better street bike out of the crate than the others. For a few years now club & superstock racers have been ditching CBR's for R6's & ZX's. When it comes to taking the gloves off though HRC knows how to make weapons out of them. Current World Supersport Champ? Michael Van der Mark, 2014 CBR600RR. Curious what they do to make it competitive on that level.
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they fill it with money.

i never said that it can't be done, i just said it's heinously expensive.
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i read a story where Honda was developing the 600RR engines for the Moto2 class that they managed to coax 150hp at the rear wheel but the engine needed rebuilding every 2 races which isn't cost effective as they were also after reliability, they they had to detune the engine to 125hp to get decent longevity.

i'd be happy if could get anywhere near 125hp, most of the gains can be had from good headwork (porting, milling, radius cut seats), good pistons aren't cheap & only JE makes 13.5 CR for our bikes, velocity stacks from FW Developments aren't cheap but they are proven alongside the TenKate stacks, then there's the engine management system which costs thousands if you go with the HRC ECU, i'm going the cheaper route with a used HRC ECU combined with a PCV/WB2/LCD200 to tune the fuel delivery to coax as much out of my motor as possible. cams are the last thing on my mind, hard to find & cost prohibitive.


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HRC ecu's are like 450 plus the 500 harness. Cams alone are 600. I always thought HRC stuff was impossible to get and way overpriced. But what I payed wasn't bad. All brand new stuff. You just have to know somebody who has the connections.


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Again just out of curiosity but aren't WSS and Moto2 using Motec M800's as the brains behind their money dump chasing power out of the 600RR motor? Definitely not inexpensive there. Brain, sensors, loom, & dash will cost the price of a new Panigale to say nothing of the paycheck to the guy to get something good out of it.
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OverRRev, do you know why Honda never publishes its power and torque figures in their service manuals whereas Kawasaki does?
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OverRRev, do you know why Honda never publishes its power and torque figures in their service manuals whereas Kawasaki does?
i don't know, my guess is as good as yours.

care to enlighten us why?


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i don't know, my guess is as good as yours.

care to enlighten us why?
I'm not sure either, first I thought it was because different regions have different power specifications, but Kawasaki gives a few different numbers for various countries.

I suppose it has something to do with them knowing that their power outputs are generally a bit lower and that it may affect sales if it were officially released.

Honda Japan however has published their power outputs, it's severely restricted, something like 78bhp peak. A far cry from 118bhp.
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There's more to winning races than horsepower.

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I'm not sure either, first I thought it was because different regions have different power specifications, but Kawasaki gives a few different numbers for various countries.

I suppose it has something to do with them knowing that their power outputs are generally a bit lower and that it may affect sales if it were officially released.

Honda Japan however has published their power outputs, it's severely restricted, something like 78bhp peak. A far cry from 118bhp.
i have a JDM bike & it was rated at 69hp in stock form, i already got it derestricted (hotwired ecu, intake manifold restrictors removed) but it still had the JDM spec intake cam which i replaced a year ago with a USDM spec intake cam, gained 9hp at the top but lost as much at the midrange which sucks.

mine is making 101hp right now & i hope to make a bit more with the ECU & PCV, hoping to get near 110hp if i'm lucky.


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true but having a lot of hp helps make winning easier. :D


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It's not a question of winning races, but rather, the technical specifications of an engine I would consider an important part of any vehicle's "technical data page", somehow the Engine section of the specs page seems pretty pointless without the power and torque outputs.

In either case, it can be calculated once a dyno run is done, but official figures are nice to know.
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i have a JDM bike & it was rated at 69hp in stock form, i already got it derestricted (hotwired ecu, intake manifold restrictors removed) but it still had the JDM spec intake cam which i replaced a year ago with a USDM spec intake cam, gained 9hp at the top but lost as much at the midrange which sucks.

mine is making 101hp right now & i hope to make a bit more with the ECU & PCV, hoping to get near 110hp if i'm lucky.
I'm guessing these are wheel horsepower numbers you're stating? Why did you get a JDM bike and then modify it? Why not stick with the US or Euro version and then work on it from there?
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I'm guessing these are wheel horsepower numbers you're stating? Why did you get a JDM bike and then modify it? Why not stick with the US or Euro version and then work on it from there?
wish i got a USDM though but from where i am JDM is easier to get & it was the only 600RR available at the time, not the best model to start from but i got to work with the cards i was dealt with. the things i learned modding this bike has helped me understand a lot of things, making this bioke faster isn't easy & cheap because i'm outside the USA so access to parts & machining facilities is severely limited so i got to play my cards right.


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Hi again..

I'll try to buy power up kit and do what hrc recommed. I think I'll spend some days to make it, but after the job I will post here the evolution (or not) on the dyno. I don´t want only max power, a better curve will be great, but i want nothig less than 10hp. We will see..
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It will be interesting to see if anyone gets a Honda600 back toward the front in Moto America this season.(or if anyone will even try) Porting and gaskets are among the mods that are now allowed. I loved reading this thread. Not so many people even know why Yamaha is ruling AMA while barely making an impression in WSS. Good stuff guys!


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First of all I must admit that I don't know the 600 category AMA rules.
What I do know is that in top end power, R6 is better from the first day up until now.
The huge difference is that at the moment and for the last three years Yamaha doesn't support world supersport category with an official "factory" team.

When they did they took the championsip with Cal Crutchlow back in 2009. In 2011 yamaha took again the championship with the 2009 bikes that Yamaha rented to parkingo team and last year (2013) took agan the championship with the same engineers Parkingo had (Yakhnich Motorsport) with more or less the same bike the factory team raced in 2009.

Honda probably is more "friendly" bike - better for many, but nowhere near as powerfull as those R6s even without factory support (that ten kate carries - more or less).

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The cbr suffers at the top end compared to other 600s. First step would definitely be overRev's advice if you need more power, given that you already have the basics like a full exhaust.

An 08 can be taken to 118-120 with those changes, according to my limited experience. To fix the upper rev range performance you will have to mess with the cams, definitely. You'll need a knowledgeable mechanic for good results.

R6s are always more powerful, but I've seen quite a few of them disappear last year with mechanical issues. Not implying anything, I just found it strange when after the summer 3 of the regulars had to visit the repair shop, for reasons other than regular maintenance. Maybe it was a coincidence, or bad mechanics' work to begin with
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Hi..

I need to increase my engine power about +-15hp. I'm racing on brazilian championship and rules allow only to add HRC power up kit. Dont allow to change velocity intake airs, pistons and extras parts. Yamahas and Kawasakis are going to 123ho on wheel, and my cbr600rr 08 has only 110cv.

Someone to help-me? How many HP hrc power up kit can increase?

I have a RAPID BIKE RACE (8 injectors controller + ignition controller + engine brake controller + auto tune + quick shifter) + full custom made exhaust.

I'm afraid to buy HRC power up kit and results are not so good. Actually every one in brazil was leaving 600rr and going to zx6 and r6.
.... American Honda made very close to 140HP with their F/X 600's, Ten Kate current WSS bikes I have heard make more... now these were all out race engines but then their ability to win world championships seems to prove that the Hondas can make the power. Honda engines in stock to mildly modified spec are at a loss to the other Japanese OEM... the Honda takes money to make work, chassis wise as good or better than most. Find yourself a really good motor guy you can't race/win without one (finding a good suspension guy won't hurt either) as to your question... the cams will help if the balance of the engine is spec'd to help them, HRC specs (the HRC manual) are very conservative you need to squeeze these things tight, cam timing is very important as is getting the electrics right (fuel/ign curve) the “good” AMA/DMG Honda’s are around 118-120 on Sunoco spec fuel … I have seen better power with Shell 91… hope this helps. BG

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