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post #1 of 46 (permalink) Old 01-23-2009, 07:39 PM Thread Starter
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Is it a myth or a fact? You decide....

Is there any truth to the common adage "Its not IF you crash, its WHEN."
I personally do not give it any credit but what does everyone else think?
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i voted no, but what do i know

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Put it this way.. Do you know anyone that has been riding for over 10 years without having an incident?

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i vote yes...how many people are going to go through their ENTIRE like without getting an a fender bender or a major accident in they 4 wheeled vechile. Same with a bike. You are going to get in a crash no matter what

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I know some people who have been riding for years and not been down, but it will happen to everyone. I haven't been down yet, but I know it will happen eventually.
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I'm sure there has been people who've gone their whole motorcyclist lives with out a crash but sure the percentage of those people is absurdly low, but for the mass majority I'm gonna go with "its when"

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I'm sure there has been people who've gone their whole motorcyclist lives with out a crash but sure the percentage of those people is absurdly low, but for the mass majority I'm gonna go with "its when"
Those are people who probably got a bike, rode it, then sold it before the had the chance to crash.

Lets face it, Rossi has crashed dozens of times. No one is immune.
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Those are people who probably got a bike, rode it, then sold it before the had the chance to crash.

Lets face it, Rossi has crashed dozens of times. No one is immune.
lol come on, there's got to be at least one person (prob not a track guy) in the world who rode regularly and has never crashed.

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I'm saying no...

It's all about how and where you ride.
To push the limit is to know the limit.

That said, I'm SO gonna crash some day....

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lol come on, there's got to be at least one person (prob not a track guy) in the world who rode regularly and has never crashed.
Maybe one or two, but you never intend to crash. There's always cars who don't see you, cars you don't see, and sand or gravel on the road you didn't see. All it takes is even a small patch of oil on a painted line to go down.
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Maybe one or two, but you never intend to crash. There's always cars who don't see you, cars you don't see, and sand or gravel on the road you didn't see. All it takes is even a small patch of oil on a painted line to go down.
Oh, I was by no means talking about me, I've already crashed lol. Back wheel got away from me on black ice while cornering in the parking lot i was practicing in and laid the bike down, wasn't that bad, but Im sure it won't be the last time. I know you gotta always expect it because to think otherwise is just retarded, but I was just saying I'm sure there is a very limited amount of people who haven't but for the most part we all are going to eventually.

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I'm saying no...

It's all about how and where you ride.
To push the limit is to know the limit.

That said, I'm SO gonna crash some day....
Hmm.. Contradiction?? What? I don't really understand that. I believe the saying is true. There is something that is called "accidents." No one plans on it or wants it, but it just happens.

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I personally don't believe in it because you are jinxing yourself if you do. Of course people get in accidents/crash, but i'm sure there are some out there who are fortunate enough and still haven't.

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I don't know about you guys, but real riders worship the ground their bike roll on. The only way to do that is to get off your bike while its rolling and roll around a couple times.
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there's 2 types of riders:

those that have gone down...and those that will go down.

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Those are people who probably got a bike, rode it, then sold it before the had the chance to crash.
or weekend warriors who only get in a few miles on the weekend and call themselves bikers can probly never go down but a daily rider... the odds are against it, oil spots, dirt, debris, taxi's, cagers texting, drunks

and the list goes on... the only chance you have is to keep yer eye on everyone else and always expect the unexpected


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Been down 3 times...If you ride, you will probably go down. I think more apt is:

Dress for the fall not for the ride!



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I know several good riders and most of them all say the same thing. "if I go down it's cause of someone else". It's just inevitable a factor will eventually catch up with you. Like someone said the number of people who haven't been down over there entire time riding is sooo low.

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[quote=powermoose1;2064850]Been down 3 times...If you ride, you will probably go down. I think more apt is:

Dress for the fall not for the ride![/quote]

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Put it this way.. Do you know anyone that has been riding for over 10 years without having an incident?
I gotta say yes, i know quite a few... and not just sunny day warriors...

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Those are people who probably got a bike, rode it, then sold it before the had the chance to crash.

Lets face it, Rossi has crashed dozens of times. No one is immune.
But Rossi is also riding the finest lines of the limits of physics.....

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I've gone off at jennings 2 times, been on the grass median at 70 mph, and smacked in the helmet once and never crashed...since 03'

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It's always a matter of when it will happen. Some folks like me have never crashed on the streets or track day(I'm not a track whore). Starting riding streets at age 14 illegally to 44 next month. I have come close to dying more than a few times, have almost gone down plenty of times due to gravel on curves, oil ont he roads, etc. I use to ride like a mad man with a death wish. I still ride fast now I just no longer have a death wish. Keep in mind though that I ride at least 30,000 miles or more a year so at this point my experience more than luck is keeping my on two.
Dirt bike now that a different story for me. Starting riding at age 4, agve it up at age 12. I did fall a few times or more but that's actually expected and part of the game of riding dirt bikes.
Here's the kicker though. If I stop riding starting right now then I would have ridden the streets without ever crashing or tipping over. hehehe
So back to your question. Is it myth?
Depends.
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I know several good riders and most of them all say the same thing. "if I go down it's cause of someone else". It's just inevitable a factor will eventually catch up with you. Like someone said the number of people who haven't been down over there entire time riding is sooo low.
So true most of the times. Good riders also make mistakes sometimes though.
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Put it this way.. Do you know anyone that has been riding for over 10 years without having an incident?


By incident do you mean like crash or do you mean incident as in front tire slid and use front leg as poogo stick to help keep upright without going down and continue pleasantly down the road. :)

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It depends on who your talking to, a regular rider or a racer.

It only takes one biker who on their death bed can honestly say 'I have never crashed' to disprove the statment. The further/longer you ride, the statistics are that you are more likely to have a crash but it is by no means guaranteed; so no its obviously not true.

If its said by a serious bike racer I would completely agree with them. If you are serious about lap times then you have to push the limits and risk a crash. Andy, a friend of mine races a litre bike and crashes quite regularly.
He recently came out with this profound line 'how can you know where the limit is if you have never been past it?

Either way, ''Dress for the fall not for the ride'' sounds like good advice from moose.

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i actually know a guy that has had over 7 bikes and rode for 30 years, no crashes yet
maybe god loves him?
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To believe you can ride and never crash is to also believe you can stand and never fall.

If you could control every factor around you, sure...ok maybe . But its the stupid little things and sudden changes to traffic patterns , room to ride and surface conditions ect...ect that usually end up biting you. If any one else out there can control this stuff, please hook a brotha up.

Also If you ride a sport bike in the manner its intended to be ridden in, your proly pushing your limits at very least sometimes. I imagine if you putt around on straight flat roads riding at the speed limit on sunny days your chances are some what better on postponing the inevitable.

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The statement stands true for people who ride a street bike how it was built to be ridden. Im sure there are plenty of guys on harleys and crusers who ride 40 years without goin down.
the way I see it people buy sport bikes for performance, and when you test the bikes performance you will innevitably test your riding gears performance as well. Also, on top of you testing the bike, the 4 wheeled soccer moms are gonna test you as a rider.
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