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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 12-11-2005, 08:59 AM Thread Starter
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The limits

i want to see what people think.

the latest sportbikes... 5% of all riders can ride them at their limits.

so a literbike is too much. and a new 600 is too much. too much for what? if you buy the bike, ride it around like a candy ass on a cruiser, you'd be fine. how many people can really wring the neck of the bike they're riding? i certainly can't. i also think i could ride for the next 5 - 10 years and still not be be able to turn Zemke's Superstock lap time on a given track on the same bike.

so why should anyone ever buy a new bike? most can't ride it. its a known fact: you can learn more faster on a slower older bike. so lets all trade our RRs for F2s and go to the closest riding school.
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I don't even come close.

Why buy if you can't get the max out of it, you ask? Just because you can't eek every last ounce of performance out of the bike doesn't mean you shouldn't own it. A lot of people told me to start out on an SV650. But that isn't what I wanted, so I didn't buy it. Performance isn't the only aspect of a bike, so it's not the only reason people buy them. I'm no professional, but that doesn't mean I don't love takin' my bike for a spin on a nice day.
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If someone else can ride your bike faster than you can, then you are not at the limit.

Some people like to argue they are at the limit of their bikes ability because thier friend with Brand X does something better, and "I know I am a better rider than him, so it is the bike"

I say no one is at the limits of the bike unless they race (sorry stunter, I think you know what mean though) on track where the conditions are idea for exposing everything the bike can do. Competition breeds ability (and accidents).

Whith that said, i do not race. I do track days. If I started to race, i am sure I would get faster. Every corner has something to learn. Every rider has something to show you in that turn (how to do it right or wrong). If you are at the bikes limit, you don't need to learn anything. You are riding it as fast as it will go.

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I can get about 90-95% of the bikes capability. But I'm too old and wise to try for that extra 5-10%. I know how much it hurts and costs to crash so I stay within my limits.

People keep asking me why I don't get a liter bike. I tell them because this bike is fast enough. Why do I need more bike? I'm not enough using all of the one I have.


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haven't tracked it yet and I'm not comfortable pushing anymore than I already have on the street... No chicken strips if that says something... find out how fast I can go when i hit up gingerman and gratton next yr.

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Everyone's answer should be no.

Maybe you can ride it to YOUR personal skill max potential, but certainly NOT to the bike's.
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Who are teh 4 that said yes. When did Miguel and Jake join 600rr.net?
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Not even close. Maybe if I was Miguel or Mat Mladin. Those guy's are special athlete's just like a major league baseball player . We are all in the minor's.
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I sure do wish I could. then i be getting paid to race!
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Everyone's answer should be no.

Maybe you can ride it to YOUR personal skill max potential, but certainly NOT to the bike's.
I would have to disagree with that.
There are the Few and the Proud that can, there all not PROs. Do I think I can? no, but I would like to think i'm close. there are so many mods and things you can do to make the potentail of your bike go up. I've been riding for alittle over 2 years now and have had problems with over riding my bike. this all had to do with the fact that the thing was Stock and suspention wasn't right. so to that degree ya, I was using it's full potentail to the way it was set up. To me Its just a matter of getting it dialed in and being consistant. this is the difference between a good club racer and a pro ama racer.
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Everyone's answer should be no.

Maybe you can ride it to YOUR personal skill max potential, but certainly NOT to the bike's.
I used to think I can ride my bike to it's limits, but then I realized how ignorant I was. For one, at the time, my bike had nothing on it but a K&N filter in it. There are certainly more upgrades my bad boy coulda/can have to increase it's limits. Then I joined the military and I hadn't touched my bike for almost 2 years. Then when I actually thought about it and realized, my throttle wasn't quite opened up all they way, I went through that last turn sorta slow, little shiet like that showed me I was totally wrong. Is it that I lost my edge after 2 years of dormancy? Probably not. I was 16/17/18 years old at the time and I was cocky. But being that much older, I now know that I am only farther from my bikes limits than I originally thought... But still... that's my only excuse to get a bigger bike...
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Who are teh 4 that said yes. When did Miguel and Jake join 600rr.net?
I think I remember JetBlast saying something once upon a time that led me to believe Miguel Duhamel is a member here.

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The driver got out of the other car, and he was a DWARF!!

He was pissed!

He looked up at me and said "I am NOT happy!"

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I couldn't believe it when after casting my vote did I see some yes' in the poll . . .. who's not being real with themselves ? ? ?

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If you can use that last 5% you got a pro contract. The rest of us are just posers, but I do try to ride to the best of my ability and can hold m won against most riders.

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lol to the 4 people who said yes, your stroking your ego's hard.


edit: 10, you gotta be kidding :icon_lol:

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I couldn't believe it when after casting my vote did I see some yes' in the poll . . .. who's not being real with themselves ? ? ?
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I think there are some people that think they are at the bikes limits, when reality it is the tires limits. I'm sure there are those that think b/c they're rear tire is slipping, they are riding the crap out of the bike, but it's really the tires. I'm nowhere near probably 50% of the bike's ability, but I'm not trying to get past that with the cold weather right now either. My back tire slides going around a corner at 20 with the cold concrete right now.
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wow its jumped to 11 i know for SURE i cant ride to the bikes potential but i just bought the thing 5 months ago so doubt it will be in the near futer either. to all of you that think you can, well more power to you, and if you dump your bike and its still worth a damn shoot me a PM cause its not long before that thing is totaled

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now that we've establish the vast majority of people [here] can't ride the RRs potential, this brings me back to my orginal q.

when and why should anyone buy a modern sportbike? esp a 1000? No one can ride them. so if u take the general advice, i guess everyone who can't ride their bike should trade down until they find something they can handle.
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It's called responsibility and limits. You are responsible for your safety and the safety of others around you, and staying within the limits of your riding ability. Whether you've "got to the limits" or used 40% of your bikes potential.

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I have passed the stock suspension to where I felt it was not safe. But for engine performance not a chance. I tried (key word) to keep up with Mike Himmelsbach at a track event as he passed me on his R6 and I had no chance. He was killing 1000's, so I don't think i have hit that limit yet.

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now that we've establish the vast majority of people [here] can't ride the RRs potential, this brings me back to my orginal q.

when and why should anyone buy a modern sportbike? esp a 1000? No one can ride them. so if u take the general advice, i guess everyone who can't ride their bike should trade down until they find something they can handle.
One word for you.... EGO.


They want to have the "biggest and the baddest" bike in town. To them, it doesn't matter that they can only use 50% of the bikes actual potential. It's the fact that they give the impression to everyone esle that they are a baddass because they ride a liter bike.


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One word for you.... EGO.


They want to have the "biggest and the baddest" bike in town. To them, it doesn't matter that they can only use 50% of the bikes actual potential. It's the fact that they give the impression to everyone esle that they are a baddass because they ride a liter bike.


"I'd rather be a fast guy on a slow bike then a slow guy on a fast bike."

while thats true to an extent. its not always the case man. literbikes are freaking retarded fast. Also they might look appealing moreso to someone, and could be they dont want to rev the bike a shitton to go fast, or maybe its just a more fun bike to ride. not everyone out there is doing their damndest to get the most "performance" out of a bike, they might just want to have a good time. But yeah, in terms of most people who go out and buy a literbike.... they just want to pose and think they are the ****. but then, often times the same goes for people on brand new 600's... its all about the rider, the bike doesent really matter so much.

everything would be a whole lot better if no one cared what anyone else was concerned with. isnt that what motorcycles are about? having fun? thats what i thought anyway.
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everything would be a whole lot better if no one cared what anyone else was concerned with. isnt that what motorcycles are about? having fun? thats what i thought anyway.
You might change you perspective when it's your co-worker that gets killed on his brand new GXR 1000. I'd much rather be accused of being overly concerned then complete and total apathy.


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...it's all relative. No one can really win this argument.

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Everyone's answer should be no.

Maybe you can ride it to YOUR personal skill max potential, but certainly NOT to the bike's.
I AGREE 100%....ILL PROB NEVER BE ABLE TO DO WAHT THE BIKE IS CAPABLE OF

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You might change you perspective when it's your co-worker that gets killed on his brand new GXR 1000. I'd much rather be accused of being overly concerned then complete and total apathy.

my opinion is never one to outweigh the principle of allowing someone their right to their own decision (when it really only affects them.) my co-worker can ride whatever or however they want. Doesnt mean ill ride with them...



i guess this is just where you and i differ.
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throttle yes bikes ability no!!!! these things handle sick
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