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Yes, it is a major contributor 25 73.53%
It is a contributing factor 7 20.59%
No, it does nothing 2 5.88%
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body steering? Yes or No

Do you believe there is any functionality in body steering while riding a motorcycle?

This includes leaning your weight and/or pushing on footpegs or I suppose any other means of steering the bike without using the handle bars.

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Yeah man, your body should be playing a pretty big role in how you take corners. It's all about weight distribution.
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It's the only way!

If you lean the rest will follow!


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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you ride a cbr yet need to ask this question?

confuses me this does.

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we just went over this last week. lol.
peep the thread, adjusting line mid corner, or some trash like that.

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you ride a cbr yet need to ask this question?

confuses me this does.
I am curious what other people believe in this matter.

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I am curious what other people believe in this matter.
yeah, WTF does that have to do with it.

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yeah, WTF does that have to do with it.
http://www.superbikeschool.com/machi...bs-machine.php

I found this interesting article and wanted to get some other opinions of how other people felt.

Sorry, I guess a polls and research section of an online motorcycle forum is not an appropriate place to do so. sheesh...

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too lazy to read that thing.

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ride down a steep hill with no hands and see how much u can steer without using your hands. it is even more drastic in full lean going fast. you will find that your legs will probably tire out before your arms do. ;)

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i beat this thing to death last week.

The hands steer, the pegs only help turn in, once your in, they dont do that much.

This thread... led to the same thing.
https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=80107


http://www.1000rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=33057

Then these fukers though i was VARider...
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=143917

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too lazy to read that thing.
It is worth it. Interesting results. Rather conclusive to me.

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http://www.superbikeschool.com/video-clips/nobs.mov

Here is a video of the bike that Code created ("No BS Bike"). It has a second set of stationary handle bars including a secondary throtle and all.

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you saw the bike pull to the side he leaned on a little bit tho right? which proves it isnt completely useless to weigh the pegs.

it aids turn-in.

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yeh bro- I push pegs, push the tank- anything to get where I need her at speed...

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They all tie together, if you think countersteering alone gets you around the track, you aint going fast enough, i dont care who the fuk says it.

i even tried it this weekend, the bike drops into the turn quicker with the whole body working, not just the handle bars.

load the pegs, use your thighs and the clip ons to pull that fuker down.

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I don't believe in turning by using your weight only, and thats what hes asking. U have to countersteer, thats what throws you into the turn, unless you are doing too much work to get it there..I do like to throw my weight slightly in to the lean after I have intered the turn tho..
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It's the only way!

If you lean the rest will follow!
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Yeah man, your body should be playing a pretty big role in how you take corners. It's all about weight distribution.
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you ride a cbr yet need to ask this question?

confuses me this does.
In most of the early replies you get people stating that body steering is what is making their bike turn. Unfortunately, now that we have said this is not true, few if any people will confess to believe this.

I think it is interesting observation. I get the impression that a lot of people believe that the majority of their ability to turn the bike is created by leaning and this is just not the case.

I will not refute the fact that pushing your weight helps in a minimal effect to the point of adjusting your line but it surely doesnt not make your bike turn to any significant degree.

I believe that it is much more important to be able to keep your core stiff allowing you to apply more pressure in countersteering. This is a technique that may feel like applying pressure to the pegs and pushing with your thighs. $00.02

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In most of the early replies you get people stating that body steering is what is making their bike turn. Unfortunately, now that we have said this is not true, few if any people will confess to believe this.

I think it is interesting observation. I get the impression that a lot of people believe that the majority of their ability to turn the bike is created by leaning and this is just not the case.

I will not refute the fact that pushing your weight helps in a minimal effect to the point of adjusting your line but it surely doesnt not make your bike turn to any significant degree.

I believe that it is much more important to be able to keep your core stiff allowing you to apply more pressure in countersteering. This is a technique that may feel like applying pressure to the pegs and pushing with your thighs. $00.02

i said that bro... but you dont want a stiff core, i dont knwo how, but somehow it makes for stiffer turning. u wanna be straight with the bike, shoulders square with the bike, and low to the tank, but not necessarily stiff.

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Wait so are you guys says that you can turn by just steering?

Remember, when you refer to 'counter-steering' you are in-fact doing just that...

You lean a bike over, you may lean to the point where you may cause it to fall, but you use your corner speed and counter-steering to balance this action.

So yes I say that it is a MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR just like the poll asks!

When your say riding some twisties, or the track, you see people struggling with getting there speed up in the corners. they don't know why, you recommend that they start with simply sticking the knee out. Just by doing something that simply, starts the motion, next they are leaning, a little, little more, little more.... etc...

I'm sorry but I strongly feel it is in fact a MAJOR contributor and gets the ball rolling!

But hey that's just my opinion...


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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Wait so are you guys says that you can turn by just steering?

Remember, when you refer to 'counter-steering' you are in-fact doing just that...

You lean a bike over, you may lean to the point where you may cause it to fall, but you use your corner speed and counter-steering to balance this action.

So yes I say that it is a MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR just like the poll asks!

When your say riding some twisties, or the track, you see people struggling with getting there speed up in the corners. they don't know why, you recommend that they start with simply sticking the knee out. Just by doing something that simply, starts the motion, next they are leaning, a little, little more, little more.... etc...

I'm sorry but I strongly feel it is in fact a MAJOR contributor and gets the ball rolling!

But hey that's just my opinion...
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its amazing how much i learned about riding since i got this 1000, its so much more less forgiving, you have to really ride it, especially since i only weigh like nothing pounds, using the handle bars alone to turn at high speed, just doesnt cut it.

as ive said before, ill say again, it all ties together, and the quickest way into and around the turn is all 4, thighs, feet and hands, and torso dipping low.

Some of you may genuinely get away with just countersteering on athem lil 600s, but at speed on the 1k, with my weight, IT AINT HAPPENING!

and i know how to countersteer trust me, its saved my ass several times, i was doing it all this time and didnt realise i was till this whole thing started up a week ago, now its like , damn, ive been doing this all along.
But i still have to weigh the pegs, and when i really wanna hang off and drag knee, or get low, the thighs get involved.

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yup BINGO!

It does all tie together!

Bottom line is that BOTH are MAJOR contributing factors!

As well as your SPEED!


"at 8k i often get the tire to slip a bit(kinda like stoner in motogp) when i start to get on the throttle"
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