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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 06-24-2015, 02:54 PM Thread Starter
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I realize I am probably one of the oldest guys on this board (besides TheX and BimmerX). I also realize that this thread and the advice in this thread will be widely ignored. However if someone could've made me listen to this kind of thing when I was young I'd be so much better off than I am now.

In a recent thread someone asked what they should spend their money on. As a joke I gave the following responses:

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If I were you I'd open an IRA and invest in a fairly aggressive Vanguard ETF.

In twenty years you can come back to this thread and thank me.
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If you go the IRA route you should make it a Roth.
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Make sure whatever ETF/mutual fund you choose has a low expense ratio. Otherwise that'll eat right into your ROI.
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Maybe an emerging market fund...
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Maybe a dividend paying mutual fund would be a good idea as long as you reinvest the dividends that it pays.
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Maybe put the money in a REIT (Real Estate Investment Trust).
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As you get older you should ad a higher percentage into bonds. This will reduce volatility.
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Whatever you do, make sure you're putting enough into your 401k to get all of your company's match. Otherwise you're just leaving money out there.
I obviously knew he was asking about mods, and I was joking around. But I got to thinking about how little I knew about personal finance when I was the age of most people around here.

At your ages you have the power of time and compound interest, and it can't be understated how powerful that is.

I'm not saying not to have fun, but you should learn a little about how to invest and try to put away 10% of your income (at a minimum) into tax sheltered accounts.

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I don't need to save. My retirement plan is to win the lottery! Guv'ment's got my back!
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i actually had someone tell me one time "what's the point of putting this money into a 401k? i might not even live that long and then it'll be a waste." i had no words

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+1 on a Roth IRA. My bachelor's is in Finance, I look at people's finances very intimately every day and it's amazing how little people save.

The Roth grows tax free, you can buy individual common stock if you want, ETFs, whatever. Just max out your Roth every year while you can, if you start making 6 figures you can no longer contribute. It is the best investment vehicle there is IMO.

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Years ago one of my college professors showed us this chart on one of the last days before we all graduated of what investing for your retirement at a young age would mean.

I'm just talking concepts and the numbers are wrong (this was years ago) but the idea was if you put something like $2,500/yr in an IRA from age 21 to like 26 (5 years) and never put in another dollar you'll make far more money than someone who starts at 40 years old putting $5,000 a year until they would retire. Wish I was smart and was able to do that but at the time I hadn't landed a serious job and didn't start investing until my mid 30's and now know I'll never really be able to retire. I have a buddy who did listen and is now sitting on a pile of money, he'll be retiring early I bet.

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+1 on a Roth IRA. My bachelor's is in Finance, I look at people's finances very intimately every day and it's amazing how little people save.

The Roth grows tax free, you can buy individual common stock if you want, ETFs, whatever. Just max out your Roth every year while you can, if you start making 6 figures you can no longer contribute. It is the best investment vehicle there is IMO.
You do that for a living? Want to do it for free for a fellow dot netter? Seriously, I have no idea how much is good or bad for my age.

I have about half my money in Roth accounts, but someone told me that was probably too much. Their logic seemed pretty sound: if you make less in retirement you'll be taxed less... you might want to pay the taxes then. He also pointed out if you move to Florida (or a state without state income tax) you have been paying state taxes when you didn't have to. Just my $0.02, but I really don't know.

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I may be as old??? Time goes by fast!!! I have put away lots but it is never enough!
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Put in at least 10% of every paycheck into your 401k and by the time you retire you will have tons of money. Go buy yourself a new hip and a new bike!
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This is true but there's a lot of things as important in this thread. I was going to go into the market this last December but other things came up and took up my time. I estimate it cost me $130,000 USD for not being in the market.

NFLX alone went from $200 or so to $280, then, just the other day, the market tanked, and using that stock alone as an example, it went to $233. In the last 1.5 weeks it went up to $300. There you go. And there's lots more like it (that's just ONE example).

Had I been in the market in December (remember, this is late February) I would have been able to buy a Ferrari F430, for cash.

So yeah, pay attention to the wisdom in this thread!! I'm helping my parents right now with a recent car purchase and it's taking up aesveral days of my time. Depending on how the market does, that time could cost me a fortune.

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This is true but there's a lot of things as important in this thread. I was going to go into the market this last December but other things came up and took up my time. I estimate it cost me $130,000 USD for not being in the market.

NFLX alone went from $200 or so to $280, then, just the other day, the market tanked, and using that stock alone as an example, it went to $233. In the last 1.5 weeks it went up to $300. There you go. And there's lots more like it (that's just ONE example).

Had I been in the market in December (remember, this is late February) I would have been able to buy a Ferrari F430, for cash.

So yeah, pay attention to the wisdom in this thread!! I'm helping my parents right now with a recent car purchase and it's taking up aesveral days of my time. Depending on how the market does, that time could cost me a fortune.
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This is true but there's a lot of things as important in this thread. I was going to go into the market this last December but other things came up and took up my time. I estimate it cost me $130,000 USD for not being in the market.

NFLX alone went from $200 or so to $280, then, just the other day, the market tanked, and using that stock alone as an example, it went to $233. In the last 1.5 weeks it went up to $300. There you go. And there's lots more like it (that's just ONE example).

Had I been in the market in December (remember, this is late February) I would have been able to buy a Ferrari F430, for cash.

So yeah, pay attention to the wisdom in this thread!! I'm helping my parents right now with a recent car purchase and it's taking up aesveral days of my time. Depending on how the market does, that time could cost me a fortune.
Jack Bogle says "Stay the course" and I think that's the best advice someone can give to an investor. Yes there are downturns and markets go up and down... but no one knows where the tops and bottoms are. I've been thinking we're at the top for about five years now - shows what I know. But I keep sinking whatever money I can away and plan to just not touch it for about 15-20 years.

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