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Good news! (?) EBR almost back in action

So if all goes to his plans, Buell is going to restart production, albeit slowly, at some point in March. I have to say, the man has some serious determination. Started in a barn, picked up and dropped off by HD, starting and failing EBR, and now restarting his efforts again.

Erik Buell Racing hopes to restart motorcycle production in March
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Who's the one giving his money away this time??

I really love their bikes, but something has to be really wrong when their project fails attempt after attempt.
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I can't exactly blame HD for cutting ties with Buell. Their goals and purposes were way too far apart. As for his own venture with EBR, yeah, he messed that up...

The article says that Liquid Asset Partners bought EBR as a whole for relatively pennies, and hopes to peddle them off soon anyway to someone else. I guess EBR is too much of a liability for anybody to hold on to these days.
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Very interesting to see how the company will do without HD. Maybe with a limited quantity the demand will be high enough to get a quick turnover for fast cash.
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Pretty poorly. Buell started EBR after getting dropped by HD and failed that gig. That's why it's surprising to see someone else pick up the tab after Buell's two failed attempts.
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100% sure he'll stick another vtwin in whatever they create if they get back going again so I couldn't care less.

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Why the hate for v-twins?
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I can't exactly blame HD for cutting ties with Buell. Their goals and purposes were way too far apart. As for his own venture with EBR, yeah, he messed that up...

The article says that Liquid Asset Partners bought EBR as a whole for relatively pennies, and hopes to peddle them off soon anyway to someone else. I guess EBR is too much of a liability for anybody to hold on to these days.
Part of the article states that apart from building the 2016 bike they will be looking for new investors, which means (at least to me) that the this proyect is not complete and is still not viable.

You don't start a business looking for investors, you first look for investors then you start your business... Rushing is never good, even less in this case.

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Whatever his business strategy is, it's going to be tough luring investors with his track record. Makes sense for him to lay low and do limited production until he's finally got a sure foothold in the industry.
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Why the hate for v-twins?
Not my thing. I think vtwins sounds like crap and more cylinders for a given displacement is always a good thing.

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Welp, that didn't take long.

New 2016 Erik Buell Racing motorcycles arrive

EBR is back in action.
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What's the over/under for timing on filing bankruptcy again?


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Ew ugly.. not bad tho 414 wet?

Down a little on hp vs ducati i think?

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I'm tired of following this guy. EBR is going south again. Massive kudos for perseverance but something is a huge miss in his business plans.

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It's hard to compete with very well established brands in an already saturated market place. Maybe he'll pull something out of his ass again and keep it going...who knows.


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he's a novelty, nobody takes the bikes seriously, and some of his wacky ideas are plain stupid and don't work, but he won't give up on them.


he's too stubborn to make it work in the business, and he's just proving it over and over.



either put out something that the average sport bike shopper is interested in, or build bikes for yourself. the arena he's trying to compete in has no room for a bike like his. the top four are way too good
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he's a novelty, nobody takes the bikes seriously, and some of his wacky ideas are plain stupid and don't work, but he won't give up on them.


he's too stubborn to make it work in the business, and he's just proving it over and over.



either put out something that the average sport bike shopper is interested in, or build bikes for yourself. the arena he's trying to compete in has no room for a bike like his. the top four are way too good
This 100%, except I think it's top five. If you can build a bike that makes someone want to go elsewhere, they will. Look at BMW; they were well established as a grandpa brand until they released the S1000RR in 2010. You'd never see a "real" sportbike rider shell out that kind of money for a sportbike from a brand their dads buy until it was clearly a better bike that (at the time) no one offered. Now you see BMW sportbikes everywhere, in all different age groups, lifestyles, etc. and they sell a bunch of different sporty bikes in all configurations and are popular regardless of your age. All in 7 years.

And now the Japanese manufactures started making these expensive, limited availability "SP" models that sell out because they realized there was a market for expensive, but technologically advanced, models.

So if you build the right bike, it will sell. Buell hasn't, or didn't do it in time to save them.

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I disagree. Look at Aprilia, Ducati and even MV Augusta to name a few: they sell small volume but highly sought after models for a premium price and still (sort of) make it. Erik is a great engineer but a terrible businessman and after all these years still won't give up a few little things to get his main ideas out there. Until he figures that out he'll forever be doomed to fail.

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Glad to know about it. Thank you for sharing.
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I disagree. Look at Aprilia, Ducati and even MV Augusta to name a few: they sell small volume but highly sought after models for a premium price and still (sort of) make it. Erik is a great engineer but a terrible businessman and after all these years still won't give up a few little things to get his main ideas out there. Until he figures that out he'll forever be doomed to fail.


I would classify all three of those as "well established", EB has never even come close to those.



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I disagree. Look at Aprilia, Ducati and even MV Augusta to name a few: they sell small volume but highly sought after models for a premium price and still (sort of) make it.
That's the key right there. For a long time Buell rode on the HD bandwagon and that association, good or bad, got customers looking at his bikes. After the split, I haven't heard anything about EBR until the numerous closures. Engineering and design aside, he just isn't versed enough in effective marketing likely leaning on the word of mouth. Now that he's gone through many closures and sell-offs, the only thing people associate his name with is failure. No matter how good a product is, if people have a negative association with the name, it's going to be a rough ride.

The deal with Hero was an awesome chance for EBR to get a decent foothold in the industry with such a massive financial backer but he refused to build something that's plain but could be pumped out in volume instead solely focusing on top end superbikes in an already saturated market.

I may be talking out the ass here but the guy has his sights way too high. Buell/EBR was an HD brand that's notoriously known for anything but sporty bikes. And now it's also synonymous with failure.
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Never ending story movie theme sounding in my head...

Again... REALLY??

Him and his investors are all nut jobs....

It's like If I go and find stupid inverstors to set up a whole new "BLockbuster Video" assuring them that it'll kick everyone's asses... But everybody knows the **** just doesn't work anymore... but hey!, here's a couple million dollars for u to burn...

Same idea, same failure... and still trying to get a different outcome while still doing the same, that's instanity... Einstein dixit....

IDK who is silly enough to invest in EBR... they should get the guy and take him to an already stablished bike manufacturer so that he can do stuff inside a fully functional company... Giving money to Erik Buell's proyect as it is (and has been for the last (what?) 14 years) is a waste...

(I like his bikes, not the engine, I like him trying to change stablished things/configurations)



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The deal with Hero was an awesome chance for EBR to get a decent foothold in the industry with such a massive financial backer but he refused to build something that's plain but could be pumped out in volume instead solely focusing on top end superbikes in an already saturated market.
Totally, tons of potential there (as long as all parties would have played fair), but he would have had to start out with small, basic bikes and scooters before expanding the product. And also probably drop his previous 'innovations' (the perimeter brake can stay though for streetbikes, it still looks trick.)
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Totally, tons of potential there (as long as all parties would have played fair), but he would have had to start out with small, basic bikes and scooters before expanding the product. And also probably drop his previous 'innovations' (the perimeter brake can stay though for streetbikes, it still looks trick.)
Good thoughts, I think you are right on the money with the small bikes and another of the many reasons of his continued downfall. He just won't ever compromise and I don't think sees that the small, high volume motorcycles are a way to get your name out there and pay the bills for the big projects.

He thinks like an engineer, not like a businessman.

I disagree about the perimeter brake, however. Think of all that weight that far on the rotating mass, the rim having to be beefed up on one side for mounting, the fact that the caliper is in essence open at the top and closed at the bottom for brake crap to get stuck in.......bad idea in my mind. Gas in the frame, oil in the swingarm and the shock running under the engine and next to the muffler are other bad ones as well.

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