KUSTOM CYCLE Bad eBay
OK so here goes. I will TRY to make this G rated or at least pg13. Im sure some of you have seen my add in the wanted thread for front rotors. well I am going to give you the whole story here (and as soon as i figure out how to post pics i will, little help??) It all starts when my rotors go bad, so i need to buy some new ones. what better place to get a deal than ebay right(or so i thought) never having been screwed before. So I find some rotors, some of you might have seen this add it reads "THIS AUCTION IS FOR A FRONT SET OF WAVE ROTORS OFF OF AN 06 600RR, THEY CAME OFF OF A BIKE WITH VERY LOW MILES AND ARE IN MINT CONDITION. THEY SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEMS FITTING 03-06. JUST ROTORS WHEEL NOT INCLUDED". So I thought to myself wow mint ebc contour rotors for 220 sweet find!!! buy it now and pay via paypal. (seller has 99% feedback so i feel good).
I recieved the rotors within 3 days (pretty quick) I open the box and I notice they are a little blue but i know that doesnt make them bad. I quickly put a possitive feedback as im runing out the door (dumb move). that was a thurs. on saturday I took the bike and rotors to a friends shop (mind you an ex OMRA racer) who has offered to help me put them on (at the time i didnt have stands yet). he took one look at the rotors and said WTF?? so i looked a little closer and he explained what he saw to me. if you lay the rotors on a flat surface one of the rotors arcs up and the other arcs down around the outside edge of the rotor (cupped). he said no way these are junk. but we tried to put them on to see if they would work being full floating and i am stubborn. nope wheel wouldnt even turn and no pressure build up at the lever.
ok so this i could have handled a littler better but i loged on the the computer at my friends shop and went to pay pal and opened a dispute (kinda pissed i got screwed for 230 bucks, buy a guy who takes bikes apart and sells them). this is what i wrote "I have a small (well big) problem with these rotors. your add stated "THIS AUCTION IS FOR A FRONT SET OF WAVE ROTORS OFF OF AN 06 600RR, THEY CAME OFF OF A BIKE WITH VERY LOW MILES AND ARE IN MINT CONDITION. THEY SHOULD HAVE NO PROBLEMS FITTING 03-06. JUST ROTORS WHEEL NOT INCLUDED ". I cleaned up the rotors, and put them on my bike. the wheel was locked up. and there was no feel in the brake handle. I took them in and I was told they were severely cupped. ie the inside (hub) side of the rotor is raised from the outside. These rotors were more likely than not used on a track bike. so my issue is that this was not disclosed in your add, and these are in no way shape or form in mint condition. So I am asking for a refund. I will pay to ship the rotors back to you. Thank you for your help in this matter, Chris"
ok nice and to the point right. . well this is what i got back via ebay and personal email he wouldnt use paypal email until i forced him to "Its seems more logical to me if you have a problem with a product to contact the seller first to resolve an issue, you will deffinetely get better results, as paypal recommends to all buyers. But putting that a side, I will contact the person i bought them from and see what the deal is with the rotors, the only info i have is what he told me so i will let you know. I never had these rotors on my bike. " ok now keep in mind that he never had these on his bike.
so my reply "they are free floating, the problem is that if you put a straight edge on the rotor, one is arced up the other down. ie the center (hub) is higher on one. "Mint" means 100%. and i have had them now a Whole 2 days. received them on thurseday it is now friday. they might mount on the bike they came from if the calipers are still out of wack. and they got rid of the rotors for a reason im sure, if they were still "mint" they would still be using them. im not trying to be a **** but that was alot of money for track take off stuff that wasnt disclosed. and that are visibly not ok."
his reply ""that wheel was owned and used by Larry Pegram racings ryan elleby on the 2006 cbr600rr, it was fine and in excellent codition, they dont use junk or questionable stuff. i checked the disc before i sent them out and they were free floating, which it need to work properly, if he installed them inproperly on his bike and the calipers werent clamping right it would result in damage to the rotor. i know for sure it was fine when it left here, im sorry you are having trouble but it has been a while since you recieved it." That is the story of the rotors, I know they were still free floating when they left here, were they when you got them and istalled them??? If they were installed improperly or there is a small chance they were not compatable with 03-04 I never said 100%, but they should. If you drop the dispute you can send them back, upon receipt I will issue a refund, but they will be tested on an 05 to see if they work "
My reply "sorry about jumping the gun, i had a bad experience not to long ago because i was one day late. if you would like to call me i will try to explain better what the problem is. i could take and send you some pics too. actually i will be doing that here in the next couple hours so that we are both on the same page."
my email i sent with pics (still via personal email no paypal email yet) "
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Here are some pics they are kinda hard to see, but you can see that the outside edge one rotor is bent up and the other down. I just want to be clear where the problem is. As far as fit, the fit ok the wheels are the same from 03 up."[/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'] His reply " Dude, I am not giving a refund until I get them back. And if i give you a partial refund my paypal is still negative and usless to me. This is my final e-mail and plead with you to finish this nicely. I have done nothing but work with you on this, and spent way way way more than enough time with you. BELIEVE me it is not worth $200 all the bullshit your putting me through. I understand your upset and we can make things right, you are acting like mistakes don't happen, BUT if I can't make the payments as promised to my clients my today I am going not going to continue to help you with this. You are not being reasonble and screwing up my whole business. I pleaded with them to give me until Sunday to make paypament and that was hard enough. Anymore time will not be okay with them. Now I have at least five people waiting for payments and there are more everyday.
I will give you a refund if the rotors are as you describe them, I don't have a problem with that. I don't know how many times I need to tell you that, or how I need to spell it out. I have 99% feedback with over 500 transactions, you don't get that by screwing people over. What else can I say. I will give you the refund, but the dispute that should of never been open must be closed today(or you figure out another way for me to use my paypal account to pay my clients) or I can't work with you on this anymore.
his next email 15 min later " I do not mean to come off as rude, but I really do have people that are getting very upset with me about not paying them and are threatening to leave negative feedback on me. It takes me 3 days to transfer money from my bank to my paypal and right now my paypal is negative, If they start leaving me negative feedback this will make me very upset, I can't have that against my name, I hope you understand,
my reply"[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] Dude I'm way sorry, I didn't realize that this would mess up your account. Like
> I said I have been burned before. I have no intention of messing up your
> business or upsetting you. I realize I should have attempted to contact you
> through ebay first. I'm sorry to jump the gun and come out swinging. "[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif'] ok at this point i am feeling a little bad for not contacting him outside paypal first, but he could tell these were bad but remember he hasnt had them on his bike. (key point here )[/font]
[FONT='Times New Roman','serif']his reply " Hey, I can't use paypal, when you open a dispute paypal takes the money and neither of us have it, until the dispute is closed I can't do anything, I still have three other people waiting for payments from me that i really need to pay, So if it is possible to end this dispute and we can resolve this ourselves, which i have told you i will,