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05 won't start

Hey guys I know this has been brought up a million times and I've tried to search through the threads to find an answer as to why my bike isn't starting but I haven't found anything that seems to work for me.

My bike was running fine all season until I didn't start it for a week or so then it just wouldn't start. At first I thought it was the battery but I tried charging it and still nothing. Then I tried jumping it from my car and got nothing. So I tried the flooded bike procedure where you hold the throttle open and that didn't work either. The bike will kind of rev like it wants to start but it will never actually turn over. Early on I got it going for about 5 seconds then it died on it's own... that was about a week ago. I'm not sure where to turn next, any help would be awesome. I don't really know my way around an engine too much so forgive me if I ask for clarification. Thanks in advance!
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You followed the right procedure throttle wide open and the bike
started then died you got to do the same process again but this
time once it starts hold the throttle steady 2 min or so no revs
what so ever until the bike picks up an idle on its own then let go
of the throttle give it a shot and post back the outcome
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does your fuel pump kick on
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He mentioned he got it going for 5 seconds and i am sure as soon as he gave it gas it died
typical scenario



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pinched vacuum line perhaps? maybe theres a bad ground? did you take apart anything before this problem started?
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The one time I got it started was before I tried the flooded-throttle technique, today was the first time i tried the throttle open and it doesn't seem to do anything different when I do that.

The fuel pump does turn on when I turn the key.

The only thing that I've done or had done to the bike this year was a new front tire new sprockets and an oil change... it had been running since all of these were done.

Thanks for helping me troubleshoot this guys, I really appreciate it.
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When you turn the key you do not hear the low tone whistle
coming from the fuel pump check the relays below the left side
ram cover make sure the connection is tight



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When you turn the key you do not hear the low tone whistle
coming from the fuel pump check the relays below the left side
ram cover make sure the connection is tight
He said he does hear the fuel pump turn on, that was one of the first questions I asked. I thought maybe it was flooded too, but if I remember right, doesn't that take a bit of cranking to clear that? Is he just not getting enough out of his battery? He had to go buy a new one, but I'd hate to kill that battery if it's more than a flooded engine.....

got to love your ex rockin your new bike!
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It wont start right away so the battery has to be fully charged before hand
or else the battery will end up dying again this procedure has worked before
so many owners had their doubts that their bike will start
Charge the battery 100 % - Hold the throttle wide open - when the
bike gets going do not give or let off the throttle hold it steady until
you feel the bike is picking up an idle then let go of the throttle
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It wont start right away so the battery has to be fully charged before hand
or else the battery will end up dying again this procedure has worked before
so many owners had their doubts that their bike will start
Charge the battery 100 % - Hold the throttle wide open - when the
bike gets going do not give or let off the throttle hold it steady until
you feel the bike is picking up an idle then let go of the throttle
best of luck
Thanks Moeman, I agree that it is probably flooded and I had the same thing happen to my old 05. He bought a new battery yesterday, guess we'll just give that a shot. I remember having to crank it over for a while before she even sputtered.

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keep at the flooded engine procedure. you may need to go through a few battery charges, but if you're not interested in that sort of thing, use an automotive battery.

just hold it wide open all the while cranking. do not back it off, do not snap it to zero... it will not start EVER with the throttle at 100% during start up. zero fuel is delivered while cranking like this. you will never ever ever get it to start with the throttle at 100%. never. when you attempt to start it normally, take your hand OFF the throttle. do not touch it. when it starts, let it idle. for a while. until it gets up to operating temperature. then go for a ride. a short one. make it brisk, but legal.
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Rolling on and off the throttle is what flooded the engine
wide open throttle wont flood the engine



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Thanks guys, I'll try it again tonight.

I hooked it up to my car battery and tried the throttle open thing a couple times last night, but maybe I wasn't persistant enough. How long should I let it crank before I give up, and should it take a number of times before it starts? I'll try again and let you know how it goes. Thanks again.

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When you hook the battery to the car battery make sure the car's engine is not running
I can not tell you exactly how many times it will take to get the bike started more than
3 or 4 u will know when its about to happen



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When you hook the battery to the car battery make sure the car's engine is not running
I can not tell you exactly how many times it will take to get the bike started more than
3 or 4 u will know when its about to happen

Thanks Moeman!

I didn't know I couldn't have the car running... could this have done any damage to the bike?
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actually i was just talking about using an automotive battery in place of the motorcycle battery. take the MC battery out of the loop all together...
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I tried the flooded procedure a bunch of times but still no progress. Any other ideas what could be keeping it from turning over?

Thanks again.
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So I tried the flooded engine procedure a bunch of times, the fuses look fine and it sounds like the fuel pump is working.

I'm thinking about checking the plugs tonight. Does this sound like a waste of time? I can't imagine the plugs are bad already on an 05 but then again I had to change them on my R1 after a couple years too. I really don't want to have to take this into the dealership but it seems like it is over my head (not like that's hard to do though I guess).

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Just thought I'd put some closeure to this thread.

I took the bike to the stealership a while back and the problem was a disconnected wire on the PC3. So dumb, I could have done that myself if I would have looked at it more closely (it powered up so I assumed it was connected properly).

Anyway, there you go. Don't be dumb like me and check you PC!

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what wire was dissconnected? mine was working fine today and i washed it now it won't start. i need it it going by tomoro. was it dissconnected from one of the injectors? please respond asap!

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