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Help! Bike won't start

Hey everybody I need some serious help. I have a 2004 600RR and the fuel pump isn't activating. I have done everything, Its not the BAS, Its not theFuel pump because I have two and neither work, its not the on/off switch or kill switch same thing I have two I checked all the fuses and relays, Now the only thing left I can think of is the ecu, is there a way to check if thats the culprit because I need my bike ASAP with gas the way it is, any Help will be great, Oh and I tried jumping it at the relay for the fuel pump and that didn't work but when you jump it at the pump it turns on just fine
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I see you have checked the fuses and relays, but have you checked the switches themselves? If the switches are bad, it doesnt matter how many good fuses and relays you have, it still wont crank.
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you're sure it's not the bas... you're positive it's mounted and connected properly, the harness is in good condition, all pins inside connectors are well connected?

What has happened from the time it last worked to now?
 
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its not the BAS because I have 2 I tried and also jumped at the connector,where are the switches for it, and the last time it worked it rained really bad and fell over
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oh and I checked all of the wires, none of them are cut,pinched, or exposed im just really stummped and Im pretty well mechanically inclined,and the only thing left I can think of is the ecu
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i highly doubt it's the ECU. if all it did was fall over, then it's a delicate part, like the relays or switches. which side did it fall over on, right or left?
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it dropped on the relay relay side(left side) but I tried jump the pluggs the fan works fine but the fuel pump doesn't kick over and I tried switching the relays around
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it dropped on the relay relay side(left side) but I tried jump the pluggs the fan works fine but the fuel pump doesn't kick over and I tried switching the relays around
"tried to jump the plugs...." i don't know what that means.

From the stop switch, the White/Black wire goes directly to the BAS. From the BAS Red/White the wire goes to the Engine Stop Relay. From the Engine Stop Relay, the Black/White wire closes the Fuel Cut Relay, which sends voltage to the fuel pump.

Somewhere in that circuit, you have a malfunction. you can't just start swapping relays. TEST THEM.
post #9 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-03-2008, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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what I mean by jumpping the plug is I take a jumper wire and insert it in to where the relay goes, but i'll check to see if thre is a short in that circut area you mentioned, i've looked every where else and have been followin the wiring diagram with no luck but I hope this works
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did u check your kickstand plug?
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did u check your kickstand plug?
that doesn't cause the fuel pump not to prime.
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i wasent sure if it caused fuel cut off or not sorry, i know it wont start if its unplugged so i just kinda went with it
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I was going to check that to, because I saw it in the diagram for the fuel circut, but I didn't think it was because when the kick is down the fuel pump should work it just wont you change in to gear I thought
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I was going to check that to, because I saw it in the diagram for the fuel circut, but I didn't think it was because when the kick is down the fuel pump should work it just wont you change in to gear I thought
No. If the kickstand is down, both the starter and ignition system will shut down if the bike is in gear and the clutch safety sensor is at the "clutch engaged" position. 's got nothing to do with the fuel pump.
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Nothing I have tried has worked, I bought a new ECU,Relays, fuses, have taken the complete wiring harness out and checked it all fine I cant for the life of me figure it out
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Are you testing ANY of these parts (save for the ECU, which i told you was highly unlikely to be the culprit) before you're replacing them?
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yeah Im testing everything, I do have the fuel pump working now dont know why but now it wont fire up plugs look fine so please help me there
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So the starter turns the motor when you hit the start button, and the fuel pump is priming at switch on.

you haven't taken the clutch cover off, have you? you've done the flooded engine procedure?
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Exclamation I have the same problem

My bike wont start either AND the fuel pump is not priming.
It initially did, but, it had a jumper in plaace to bypass the BAS. I took the jumper out, ran the wires to the BAS... then nothing. So, I just spliced the W/Y and G at the BAS and still, nothing. By nothing, I mean the fuel pump will not prime.
Here's what I've done since it worked last:
-Drained oil
-Took the left side alt cover off to paint it and replaced
-Re-did the shotty wire job that was on it, this includes the BAS, left headlight, left turn signal and a few misc wires
-Replaced about half of the fuses (head light, gauge cluster/ilum, rear lts, etc)
-Trickle charged the battery
**note** I haven't filled it back up with oil yet. I will, just was doing a quick "test fire" just to see. Funny that it won't huh? Is there a oil sensor that won't let the fuel pump prime if there's no oil? That's the only thing I can think...

ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED

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Jon,

no there is not. recheck your BAS wiring, consider putting the bas back on in the correct orientation. make sure your fuses are good, and make sure your fuel cut off relay is working properly.
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I've read every "won't start" post I could find; a question that keeps coming up is "did you mess with the headlights"?
I did in fact "mess" with them. In fact, I had to replace the left headlight. I'm assuming you ask because the BAS is right there, correct?
I've since reconsulted my service manual just to confirm the wiring and I DO have the correct wires jumped to take the BAS out of the equation regardless. Again, the W/Y and G (the two outside wires) on a 07 600RR
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Fuel cut-off relay? Where is that located exactly? I'll consult my manual, but I'm sure you could clear that up a hair bit faster. Oh, what exactly does it do? Will it prevent the fuel pump from priming when you turn the switch ON?
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yes. PM Raydog for the Service Manual for your specific generation RR and read the appropriate section. i can't post pictures right now due to system limitations, but i'll have that ability in about 1.25 hours.

the relays are behind the left side mid fairing. one of three presented.
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Ok, upon further review, the bike is blowing the BAS instantly; upon turning the key on that is. Took a multimeter to 'er about a hour ago... just now found the problem. It WAS wiring, way the hell up under the tank... an old splice with scotch tape over it that I hadn't found yet!!!
Stupid sorry good for nothing low life I got the bike from
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Stupid sorry good for nothing low life I got the bike from
Gotta love that, person I bought mine from seemed to be the same way and I had a ton of trouble trying to figure out my problem with it not starting. Glad you figured it out!! It's great to get your bike in working order again!
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Hey whats the procedure for the Flooded engine I cant find it in my manual
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Hey whats the procedure for the Flooded engine I cant find it in my manual
WOT (wide open throttle) and stark cranking. It may take a few seconds so be patient but it'll start up.

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so long as the throttle is at 100% it wont... 99%... then yes.
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