Sorry... yet another bike won't start thread - 600RR.net
Troubleshooting Having trouble with your bike? Common know issues or trobuleshooting questions here.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Sorry... yet another bike won't start thread

I've got an '08 RR that has 2300ish miles on it. I ride it whenever it's above freezing most of the time so I'm still riding it here in the winter in CO.

Here's the issue. I was riding my bike through my apartment complex walkway to get it under the roof of my apartment outside since it was going to snow that night. While I was guiding it through I stalled it, tried to start it back up, seemed like it was just on the brink of starting but never did.

Not sure this has anything to do with it, but before this all happened I went home for winter break for 2 weeks and during that period my bike was in my apartment which was heated (obviously). When I got back I was able to start it up no problem and I've taken it on a couple rides since I've been home a week ago.

I've tried to start it up a couple more times but now it's not on the brink of starting, it just makes a loud electrical noise.

I've read in other threads to make sure the battery has enough juice in it, but I looked all over the tach and can't find anything that shows the amps, so I'm probably just being an ignorant idiot.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMzDX...e=channel_page

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold

Last edited by Think; 01-16-2009 at 03:11 PM.
Think is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 02:18 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Use a voltmeter to check the battery.
post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 02:26 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
dcope17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dana Point, Ca
Posts: 2,120
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Nothing will show you that on the dash. On a car dash... it will show you charging amps while the engine is runnung but not if your battery is good or not.

If your loud electrical noise is a clicking noise or similar... your battery doesn't have enough juice to start it. Either you battery is bad or just simply lost it's charge.

Put it on a trickle charger for the night and try to start it in the morning... if same clicking sound... your battery is wasted and needs to be replaced. If it fires up... then your battery is good .

If this happens again you might have a problem with your charging system.. I said might, the cold temps can also do this.

I hope this helpes. If what I talked about isn't the problem you're having... fix my misunderstanding.

Ride hard today, Ride harder tomorrow,!
Walk close to Christ today, Walk closer tomorrow

How to fix headlights... Dreamzboy's excellent write-up
https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=138034
dcope17 is offline  
 
post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 02:31 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcope17 View Post
Nothing will show you that on the dash. On a car dash... it will show you charging amps while the engine is runnung but not if your battery is good or not.

If your loud electrical noise is a clicking noise or similar... your battery doesn't have enough juice to start it. Either you battery is bad or just simply lost it's charge.

Put it on a trickle charger for the night and try to start it in the morning... if same clicking sound... your battery is wasted and needs to be replaced. If it fires up... then your battery is good .

If this happens again you might have a problem with your charging system.. I said might, the cold temps can also do this.

I hope this helpes. If what I talked about isn't the problem you're having... fix my misunderstanding.
It's not a clicking sound, it's more of a constant sound. I really don't know how to explain it. I'll try to get a sound click or youtube video or something with the sound.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 03:03 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Updated with youtube video.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #6 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 03:08 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Where's this video?
post #7 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 03:11 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Whoops, looks like I forgot to save it on the first post.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #8 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 03:17 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Sounds like your starter is no longer connected to the gearbox or something with it broke. I'd take it a shop to be fixed because that will be a warranty issue.
post #9 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 03:42 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Damn, and it's 60 out today.

Edit: I don't have a truck or a trailer, any ideas on how I can get my bike to the dealership?

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold

Last edited by Think; 01-16-2009 at 03:49 PM.
Think is offline  
post #10 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 04:40 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
powermoose1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 2,023
Images: 63
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 12 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Think View Post
Damn, and it's 60 out today.

Edit: I don't have a truck or a trailer, any ideas on how I can get my bike to the dealership?
In town Uhaul truck.



www.LMGTFY.com --> give it a try before you ask

Thanks for driving that hybrid...and saving all the gas for me!
powermoose1 is offline  
post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 04:42 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
dcope17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dana Point, Ca
Posts: 2,120
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
I thought the starter sounded fine. When he let off the start button, you can hear the engine compression kick back at the starter.

Does the fuel pump prime when you turn it on?

Ride hard today, Ride harder tomorrow,!
Walk close to Christ today, Walk closer tomorrow

How to fix headlights... Dreamzboy's excellent write-up
https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=138034
dcope17 is offline  
post #12 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 04:44 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcope17 View Post
Does the fuel pump prime when you turn it on?
Not really following you on that. Can you explain how I could find this out?

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #13 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 04:48 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I didn't here any engine compression. There would have been that distinctive thumping sound. The whining sounds exactly like a starter motor spinning too fast because it's not connected to the gears or starter clutch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Think View Post
Not really following you on that. Can you explain how I could find this out?
When you turn the key in the on position, do you hear an electric pump?
post #14 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 04:50 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demented View Post
I didn't here any engine compression. There would have been that distinctive thumping sound. The whining sounds exactly like a starter motor spinning too fast because it's not connected to the gears or starter clutch.

When you turn the key in the on position, do you hear an electric pump?
There is no sound when I turn the key to the on position, but it does make the normal sound when I hit the kill switch to on.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #15 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 04:59 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by Think View Post
There is no sound when I turn the key to the on position, but it does make the normal sound when I hit the kill switch to on.
What normal sound?
post #16 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 05:06 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demented View Post
What normal sound?
Not really sure how to explain it. Just after you turn the key to on, and then flick the switch to on, that series of noises it makes that you should wait for in order to turn the bike on after the HESD indicator and FI lights go off.

Edit: I should also say that pretty much right after I stalled it and for about an hour afterward, there was more than just the whining sound when I was trying to start it. It sounded like it was just about to start but never could get past a certain point.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold

Last edited by Think; 01-16-2009 at 05:10 PM.
Think is offline  
post #17 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 05:12 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
That noise is the fuel pump priming. Forgot we had kill switches, lol.
post #18 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 05:16 PM
AMA Supersport Racer
 
murphdog1411's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 814, Pa
Posts: 1,330
Images: 94
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
yea doesn't sound like the starter turning the motor over...to be sure crank it over for a couple secs and put your hand over the exhaust and see if it is pushing air out.... if there isn't any, something is broke or hung up... see if the honda dealer can come pick it up... around here they charge only a small fee...see if you have roadside towing on your insurance... you would be covered.

murphdog1411 is offline  
post #19 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by murphdog1411 View Post
yea doesn't sound like the starter turning the motor over...to be sure crank it over for a couple secs and put your hand over the exhaust and see if it is pushing air out.... if there isn't any, something is broke or hung up... see if the honda dealer can come pick it up... around here they charge only a small fee...see if you have roadside towing on your insurance... you would be covered.
Yeah, there is air coming out of the exhaust. I think I might just have to get it to the dealer tomorrow.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #20 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Well my neighbor who used to work at a motorcycle dealer came over and after some fidgeting we got it a whole lot closer to starting. It almost turned over a couple of times. Then we tried a push start twice where it almost turned over. But in the process of trying to get it to start we completely killed the battery.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
post #21 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 07:57 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Here's a thought, maybe your battery was just too low to start the bike. Throw it on a tender and try again when it's charged to 12.6v.
post #22 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 08:06 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
dcope17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dana Point, Ca
Posts: 2,120
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
^^^ +1 charge the batt.

try holding the throttle open while starting... could be flooded... could have something wrong with the IVAC motor and not giving it enough fuel to idle.

I think it sounds like you have compression and spark. The compression kicked the motor backwards and also the starter at the end of the vid and because the starter is running so fast, I think it is getting some fuel and spark but just not enough to sustain running on its own.

Ride hard today, Ride harder tomorrow,!
Walk close to Christ today, Walk closer tomorrow

How to fix headlights... Dreamzboy's excellent write-up
https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=138034

Last edited by dcope17; 01-16-2009 at 08:09 PM.
dcope17 is offline  
post #23 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 08:08 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcope17 View Post
^^^ +1 charge the batt.

try holding the throttle open while starting... could be flooded... could have something wrong with the IVAC motor and not giving it enough fuel to idle.
ICAV*
It'd still start with the ICAV, would just shut off as soon as you let go of the starter. The starter motor is unusually loud and whining though. I still think something is wrong with it.
post #24 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 08:33 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
dcope17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dana Point, Ca
Posts: 2,120
Thanks: 0
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demented View Post
ICAV*
It'd still start with the ICAV, would just shut off as soon as you let go of the starter. The starter motor is unusually loud and whining though. I still think something is wrong with it.

Were both idiots... It's IACV

Sampsonite... I was way off!

Ride hard today, Ride harder tomorrow,!
Walk close to Christ today, Walk closer tomorrow

How to fix headlights... Dreamzboy's excellent write-up
https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=138034
dcope17 is offline  
post #25 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-16-2009, 08:37 PM
Demented
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcope17 View Post
Were both idiots... It's IACV

Sampsonite... I was way off!
*says "Idle Air Control Valve" out loud*

Do'h!
post #26 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2009, 08:20 PM Thread Starter
Pocketbike Racer
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Fort Collins, CO
Posts: 254
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Got it towed to the dealer where the mechanic put it on a battery tender, hit the starter and messed around with the throttle while trying to start it. Finally got it after a couple minutes. The engine was flooded but he said he had no idea why it would have just stopped turning on after I stalled it.

2008 Honda CBR600RR red/black
Intuitive Race frame sliders, Two Brothers CF exhaust, BikeLitez flushmount turn signals
2005 Kawi 636 - sold
Think is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the 600RR.net forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome