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Wheel not straight with tripples

I had most the front ripped off yesterday and saw as I expected when the top tripple is straight with the bike the wheel is pointed right. So when bike is perpindicular to tripple the wheel should be straight but it's not. For it to be straight you need to turn it to the left. This is probley tweaked forks in the tripples right? I know you just loosen the axle and tripples on a stand then tighten and bounce to square it up but is what my bike is doing a symptom of tweaked forks? Or do you think maybe something is bent?
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sometimes you think you are seeing it tweaked but in fact its an illusion. have you tried riding the bike (if its safe) and looking at your triple and clip ons?

If it is "off" the way you described then yes, something is bent.
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loosen everythign up, align it and tighten it back down. if it is tru then the wheel should spin pretty freely (minus brake drag).
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Thanks for the link. So some say it's bent some say it's twisted. Nothing looks bent. I had it at the track and doing 130 I notice no headshake. What would I look for when riding?

When I am riding the top tripple is not straight across but to left. From ridding it seems fine. But it has been like this forever.
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your end goal is to have the top triple straight with the bottom triple. Once those are aligned... your wheel should be straight. ( assuming nothing is bent)

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The tripples look aligned. How would they not be? There is 2 metal rods going through in 2 spots how can they rotate? If something is bent what would it be? I am thinking not forks but maybe the tripples them self? Thanks for the help
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they will rotate. As a machinist... there is one rule. Everything is plastic. Meaning that no matter how solid you think it is... it can bend, flex, move slightly. With the right inspecting equip. you can see what i'm talking about.

Lets say that the forks are 3' long and the triples are 1' from upper to lower. So every .010 that the triples are off... by the wheel it is .030 off. .030 is definately enough to see looking at the wheel. however you can't look at the triples and say that they are less than .010 off. Impossible, but I can look at you twisted wheel and say that they are.

trust me... they will easily twist.

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Ok thanks for the explaination. I am going to loosen everything up and fix when it stops snowing again.
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if it rides straight, and you can take your hands off the bars and it goes straight then it is fine. as long as the clip-ons are straight and you don't feel like one of your arms is more extended than the other-it's fine. it may look like it's bent b/c the way the triple is, there is more space between the left side triple and the gas tank than the right side triple and the gas tank. that's just the way it is. a better reference to go by is looking at how the ignition unit lines up with the fairing stay, or how the little notch behind the steering stem nut lines up with the frame/gas tank.

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When I am going down the road there is more space on right from the tank. What's weird though is it does seam to ride straight. I can't go by bars because I have aftermarket so there is no telling if they are =. It's going to be nice on Saturday so that's when I am going to loosen the front and tighten it back up just to see what happens. I don't like rotating the tripples on the stem stand. Last week I moved the bars a little left and it fell off on to forks.
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^^ yea, well i may have switched it around, but the point is that one of the sides has more space in between the triple and gas tank. do your hands feel straight or does it feel like one is more extended than the other. my gut feeling is that it's fine from what you're describing.

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If the way your desribing the way the tripple is compared to tank it may be fine. The wheel is to the right only when u make the tripple even on both sides of the tank. So it's actualy not to be perpendicular with tank? 1 gap is is bigger then the other? That's crazy why is it like that?
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oh and how should the ignition line with the fairing stay? should it be dead center? because when it is dead center then the space between tank and triple is even on both sides. also when its lined up in center of the stay the wheel is to the left.
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^^ dude. ride the bike. does it feel like you have to extend one of your arms further than the other or not? stop being a hypochondriac and settle down. it's fine. if it was off alignment it would be REALLY obvious as soon as you start going forward... you wouldn't be wondering and asking all these questions...

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lol i always think there is something wrong with my bike. it seems to hit the ground so many times anymore something bound to be wrong at some point haha.

i cant tell by the arm thing because its very hard to get the vortex clip ons at the same angle / length.

its more than likely fine. i just like to be 100% sure.

about the tank being closer to the upper triple on one side. is that true? i looked at my bike and i cant figure out why it is meant to be like that. i never herd that before.
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^^ i don't know why it's like that, but i know it's like that, so it's nothing to be alarmed of.

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it was nice today so i put it up on stands loosened the pinch bolts to the forks and axle. i did not twist anything. tightened it back up and wow. when i ride its straight now. feels so much better. i cant believe its been messed up this long. going over bumps is diffrent. its a good bit stiffer feeling for some reason.

thanks for all your input. i am glad i got fixed now its not in the back of my mind all the time. now i have to fix the brakes. after it got backed in tothe lever is very soft till first squeeze then its good till next time you brake. i think its air in it. i bleed for 25 mins and its better but. maybe a bent rotor who knows.

thanks for the help
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^^ WHAT?! no dude. it's just that when you removed the wheel, the caliper pistons lost some of their pressure. that always happens when you remove a wheel, you have to pump the brake a little bit when you put the wheel back on. there is no need to bleed and no need to worry about air. if it build pressure after a few pumps it's fine.

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No the brakes were doing this since it got backed in to. It's not because wheel was off. I got some speed bleeders so I will bleed again this weekend see if I can't get it firm again
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