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Gearshift Spindle Moves

I replaced my rearsets and had to replace the gearshift arm and pedal. I took the old arm off of the gearshift spindle and tried to put the new one on. As I was pushing it into place the spindle itself actually moved. It slid about 1/2" into the bike. I can grab it with my hand and pull it back out where it should be but it sure doesn't seem like this should happen. Is something horribly wrong? I should note that I recently replaced the clutch cover as well. It went smoothly and I didn't actually touch the clutch so I dont think there should be any problems from that but I suppose it's possible.
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I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to do that...


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I can shift when I pull it outward where it's supposed to be. If I push on it, I can no longer shift. I figure it's possible that it's supposed to do that, it just seems pretty easy to take away the bike's ability to shift.
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I don't know man. I've bumped my it with my foot before and never noticed it move...


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eek! that happened on my friends 2006. it's not supposed to be able to slide in. there is a tab on the opposite side of the engine that keeps it from sliding into the clutch on the other side.
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Ouch. So do you recall how he fixed it? Can you just replace the tab?
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i had to take off the engine case cover from the other side. take out the clutch basket and i just bent the tab back into place. check out the schematics to see what im talking about. with his bike it was cause by a light tap with a hammer to try to get the linkage back on. wasn't going smooth so he gave it a few taps. that was enough to mess it up though. after the hammer it could slide back and forth. once he started the bike and the shaft moved towards the clutch side, you could hear a horrible clicking, knocking, pinging sound.
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that's it....same thing happened to the in-laws bike. My track bike started missing shifts so I put 2 tiewraps behind the pivot arm to space it away from the motor/tran. I think it's still on there - guess I need to fix that.

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Sounds like that's it. Thanks a lot.

A quick look at the service manual shows clutch removal to be rather annoying. Am I definitely going to need a "Clutch center holder" to get the center lock nut off or is there a trick to do it without? Any other suggestions or tips on the process?
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you just put the bike in gear....like 5th or 6th from what i remember. no special tools required, i think there was actually a how-to on this somewhere here on .net.
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oh yea, i think that's what i did....maybe the bike in gear was to torque it to specs after.
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Cool. Thanks for the suggestions. I had searched .net but only found a slipper clutch installation (which gets me through the removal at least). Do you recall if I will need to replace the lock nut (or any other parts for that matter).
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you will need a new locknut for the clutch basket.

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yes the locknut should be replaced
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Alright, thanks again. I'm starting to think this won't be all that bad. Annoying, but doable. Do you think it's possible to take out the clutch center with the discs still on or will I definitely have to remove all of them individually?

Also, the manual also says to lube up the clutch outer sliding surfaces with molybdenum oil... is that something a Pep Boys will carry? Or will there be enough remaining on the parts to skip the reapply?
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it's not bad at all. you have to take the discs out in order to get the basket off(big nut). if the pep boys doesn't carry it, im sure the plates will still be nice and juiced up when you get them off.
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FYI - Just wanted to say thanks to the original poster and respondents....

I suffered the same fate this weekend and because of this post, was able to diagnose the issue exactly. Went from fear of having to pull entire engine to semi-relief for only having to dig past the clutch basket.

Bent tab too. What a lame design and expected more from Honda...
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Sounds like that's it. Thanks a lot.

A quick look at the service manual shows clutch removal to be rather annoying. Am I definitely going to need a "Clutch center holder" to get the center lock nut off or is there a trick to do it without? Any other suggestions or tips on the process?

BTW - Anyone else stumbling onto this thread - Motion Pro makes a clutch-basket holding tool (about $30 US) that most bigger bike shops would have on hand/in stock. Well worth it to have around
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Yeah if you're not using the clutch holder it can be a bit difficult. Even if you're in 6th gear the weight of the bike isn't enough to keep the wheel from spinning when you torque it down. I tried holding the rear brake while tightening (awkward as you could imagine) and then I slipped a strap through the wheel up around the seat to prevent it from turning.
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A friend had that problem and instead of having to take the right side of the motor apart to bend the tab back, I made a spacer and washer for it. I also made a few more for my 2 RRs and her husband's RR to prevent it from happening.



Washer


Spacer on shaft. Not slid in all the way to show washer.


All together with a tiny bit of slack to move freely.


I put the set screw to hold the shaft from sliding in.

this is an easy fix or preventative measure anyone can do. Any city has a metal sully place . A foot of aluminum rod is about 5 bucks and a washer can be found easily or even made.
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Any of you guys not able to start your bike after doing this fix? I got the tab in the mail last night, so I immediately go to work on putting the bike back together. I get it all back together correctly, and will prep and skill that would make an MMI instructor cry.

So I go to start it, and the bike cranks and cranks and nothing. Im perplexed. I know the ignition signal comes off a sensor that deals with a timing rotor in the mix...so im wondering if i've buggered the timing rotor position by turning the gear, which is why it wont start? Im not quite sure, and I do not have a timing light. I'd rather not go to a shop just yet, but am I close to the issue? Has anyone else had this issue of taking off the clutch / clutchbasket and not able to start once re-assembled?
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^ What was your final outcome?

I'm tackling this job tonight, I have the same problem..

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^^^^
How did you fair out with this problem? I did it as well. I was putting on my shifter linkage and tried to pry open the shifter splines a small bit by using a flathead screw driver. Second light tap and POP, in the fecker went. Straight away I knew I was screwed. What a fukiun flawed design. I know its a total noob mistake cos there was that little voice in my head telling me to tap it very, very lightly. But still.
Anyways i have a few questions so In have every thing before i take it apart.
Do I really need to pull my clutch out or will it "fix" itself in time. LOL
Do you NEED a clutch center holder tool?
Do you need to get a new tab? Or can you just bend it back place. Thanks

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Same **** happened to my pos bike.
freaking bent tab.
shitty design.

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Im in the process right now. Got it apart, and put together but it will not start, i think i may have messed up the timing...
This is a huge pain in my butt...

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Anyways i have a few questions so In have every thing before i take it apart.
Do I really need to pull my clutch out or will it "fix" itself in time. LOL
Do you NEED a clutch center holder tool?
Do you need to get a new tab? Or can you just bend it back place. Thanks
Couple options. First thing, I'd pull of the clutch cover to see if it's bent or completely broken off.

If you broke it off, then you need to find the piece that broke off. Just so it doesn't go through the gears in the tranny or anything. Most likely it will be in the bottom of the oil pan or just behind the clutch cover.

If you just bent it... you can bend it back but obviously it won't be as strong as it was which wasn't that strong in the first place. Or it might break off. either way. it's useless right now so if you do break it off, you didn't make it any worse.

I have never bent this tab but from what I remember of my engine, I don't think you can get to it with the clutch still in.

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Clutch has to come out. A clutch tool makes its alot easier but can be done without it.
Id just buy a new tab. Its like a dollar

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Clutch has to come out. A clutch tool makes its alot easier but can be done without it.
Id just buy a new tab. Its like a dollar
What's this tab called and where can I buy it ??
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