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Synthetic Oil = Clutch Slippage

Ok, just switched the bike to Repsol synthetic 10W-50, and now my clutch doesn't grab like it used to. This is the 2nd bike (other was a 599) that the switch to synthetic has caused my clutch to slip. I fixed it with barnett clutch springs on the 599. Is this because the clutch fibers are soaked with the old conventional oil? It won't slip while it's in gear at starting off it slips, and forget about bringing the front wheel up. Looks like I'm getting a barnett clutch plate package.

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never heard of this happening to anyone using synthetic oil made for motorcycles.
and very unusual for a reputable oil like Repsol to cause this.

what oil did you have in there prior to changing it out to Repsol??






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if you hade bad luck with this befor why do it again??
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Deff very unusual,, I use Repsol 100% syn racing oil, and I have no slippage problems

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That's why I use AMS Oil 10W-40 Full Syn, I switched from OEM Honda without a problem.


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if you hade bad luck with this befor why do it again??
The 599 had 10,000 miles on it, so I figured it was just worn, with the RR's I wouldn't think it would be an issue, as did all the service techs I've talked to.

I think I'm just going to get new stock fiber plates and the barnett springs, clean everything really well and that should do it.

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well i changed to syn after the 1st oil change :)

not a fan of dyno oil in such a nice bike
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I just swapped my old dino oil for repsol 10-W40 full synthetic this morning... it's like a whole new bike to me, so much smoother.. I can actually feel less resistance in the motor and shifting gears is far smoother.

If I had known that syth was this much better, I would have coughed up the $$ for it a long time ago.

zero clutch slippage, and I rode it like a son of a bitch today...

*edit: also, I had NO trouble bringing the front end up while coming out of a corner...
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The 599 had 10,000 miles on it, so I figured it was just worn, with the RR's I wouldn't think it would be an issue, as did all the service techs I've talked to.

I think I'm just going to get new stock fiber plates and the barnett springs, clean everything really well and that should do it.
OK, your money... i'd just run out and buy 3 Qts of GN4... but you wanna blow close to $100... *shrug* hey, i could use a Woodcraft Peg if you're just going to burn it anyway...
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Well after a good track day, the clutch is slipping no more. It was probably just the two oils mixing together on the plates, and now that's all gone. Thanks to those who chimed in, good or bad.

I'm still not to satisfied with the gearbox, it doesn't feel as smooth to me. Maybe I'm just a picky bastard.

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:book1:so what oil did you have before the switch to repsol? helloooo, knock knock...

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i just change last sunday i have before repsol synth blend and go for full synth racing and feel the bike the same as you guys the engine is smoother, changing gears smoother too, feels great the bike and no slip clutch till today i like it so i never going to change for other oil....

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Full synthetic is a waste of money, again just my two cents...



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and most would agree with you 1moto2 if you changed your oil at or less than every 3000 miles. if you change often, there's zero benefit.

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um the simple differnece in the original post couple have been mixed viscosity oils, stock is 10w-40, he used 10w-50 per his post and that might take a change to work it's way out imho.....
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It really doesn't matter that much twilkinson3.

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Full synthetic is a waste of money, again just my two cents...
i'd be interested in seeing your logic behind this. I know its only an opinion, but looking @ your mod list in your signature, alot of that could be considered a waste of $$. And then to call something that will preserve and protect your engine, help it run better, and longer a waste? Hmm.

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"Avoid oils that say "energy conserving" in the bottom half of the donut. These oils contain friction modifier additives that could cause clutch slipping over time."

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Consumables.html#Oil
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i'd be interested in seeing your logic behind this. I know its only an opinion, but looking @ your mod list in your signature, alot of that could be considered a waste of $$. And then to call something that will preserve and protect your engine, help it run better, and longer a waste? Hmm.
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