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04 won't start

Looking for some help getting my 04 started.

The bike started and ran fine about 3 days ago but today when I tried it would not start.

When I turn the key on the display cycles like usual and the fuel pump primes.
It will crank and crank but it won't start.

I have not made any changes on the bike in the past year and haven't touched it since it ran 3 days ago.

I refilled it with gas last ride and ran through over half a tank of it so I don't think that is the problem.

The kill switch is in the correct position and the kickstand is down with the bike in neutral. Also the bike has been stored indoors.

Anyone have any tips or suggestions?
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bumping it up its too nice to have the bike down
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my bike did this a couple months ago but my battery was almost dead.. im not really sure what made it start though.. i turned the key on and off a few times and it finally fired up..

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some guy at the gas station last week was telling me how reliable Hondas were and how his '78 cruiser still fires on the first shot. I think he put a hex on it
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do you have a powercommander??

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nope, nothing done to it except a few basics (turn signals and a slipon) which were done in 04

gonna take a long shot and check the air filter but not sure where to go after that
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filter isn't plugged
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I guess I will tear it down and check the spark plugs

any other suggestions?
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I have the same problem mine starts but I have to push start it. The dash lights up but it dosent crank strong even after charging the battery is it possible that the battery indicator is wrong and is too old to charge or is it a more serious problem?

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It sounds like fouled plugs. I checked mine in my '03 and even though there was a small spark, it wasnt enough to start the bike. I threw some new Iridiums in it and it started up just fine.

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Get the battery tested. Mine was nearly completely dead to the point where push starts were dying.

Check plugs. Change them while at it.

If you let it sit with stale fuel. Hold the front brake tight. Straighten bike and bounce your front end to mix up the gas a bit. Make sure your in neutral, half throttle and start it. I know it sounds cheap but I left mine sit just a little over a week from vacation. Wouldn't start did the above. VOILA!!

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Check your clutch switch and your kickstand switch wiring--make sure they are still connected and jiggle them to make sure there is good electrical contact. You don't need to jiggle them by shaking the whole bike up and down.
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It's not the battery and it's not the safety switches either.

list your modifications if any. it helps.

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checked the plugs and all of them have good spark, there was a little bit of oil on the threads of the plug on the far left when sitting on the bike but other than that they didn't look bad.

clutch and kickstand switches shouldn't matter since the bike is in neutral but both of them working

there is fresh gas in it and the battery has been tested and is strong

I cannot figure out what the problem is I have checked everything I can think of.

When I crank on it for a long time I can smell fuel which makes me think that it is getting fuel. I checked the air filter and it is getting air good. I checked the plugs and it is getting spark.

gas+air+spark=running engine but it won't fire

Anyone have any more suggestions before I get raped at the dealership?
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mods are only a slipon and turn signals which were put on in 04
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checking the spark plugs I got a good inch spark from them so I think they are good
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have you done any recent repairs or replacement of parts?

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I haven't done anything to it since 04 except routine maintenance. Last thing I did was an oil change a couple thousand miles ago.

Like I mentioned in the first post it started and ran perfect 3 days before and I have never had a problem with it before this.
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same problem here. 06 600rr, last started Friday evening, Monday AM starter turns but will not start. tried new battery, no go. i replaced the air filter last wednesday, rode to work thursday and friday, last started friday evening, ran properly, no problem at that time.
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you've tried to dry out the cylinders?

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After cranking for a while and playing with the throttle I got it to run but the problem was not solved.

The bike starts fine now just like it always did but it will not accelerate under load. When its sitting there it will rev and everything sounds just like normal but when I am riding it and I open the throttle to accelerate it takes a very long time to get going.

It doesn't bog down or die out when I open it all the way up, it just takes a really long time to accelerate, like it doesn't have any power.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this? I don't know if only half the cylinders are working or the fuel injectors are plugged or what?
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I'll check the battery when I get my bike to the new house where's the best place to buy a replacment? I've been running hid for about six months but I have off switches on both beams. It's an 04 with the original battery I think

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bump

still trying to get the bike running well

The bike starts and runs fine but it doesn't have any power.
When i open the throttle it takes a long time to get up to speed. It doesn't bog down or anything it just will not accelerate like it should.
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its up to you. but i would try new throttle bodies. i just replaced mine and it fixed all my problems. it was the senser taht went bad on mine and you cant replace the sener without replacing the whole TB's. i got mine for 50 bucks and it just beautiful. check out my thread its under "dirty plugs". i have had alot of problems with my bike not starting and othet hings but it may be your problem may not be just offering it to you.
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any smoke?
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It is not smoking at all
When it is in neutral idling and I open the throttle, it has a stutter for a second and then revs.
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I guess I will grab the lube and head to the dealership Tuesday. Need to start stretching so I can grab my ankles.
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Do you have a service manual? Did you try to pull the error codes, i.e. does your red "check oil" light blink in a pattern? The lack of power is typical of the Engine Control Module running the engine in a fail-safe mode.

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sounds like you may need to make sure your fuel line isn't pinched?
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may want to look for water in the fuel tank. over time condensation can build up. some of these fuel systems dont have a return line going to the tank, therefore when water gets into the supply line it has to be disassembled and drained. if you got it running try adding some dry-gas additive to it which will absorb the water. When these rr's first came out and I was working at the dealership we got one where the tps went bad and it smoked like a freight train. Honda Japan actually shipped that bike back to japan and bought the customer a new bike. I guess they were doing some research into the faulty tps's
As for your spark plugs. you say they look good? if they are black what so ever on the ceramic part they need to be replaced. you also said you got a 1 inch spark which means the coils are good. a slightly carbon fouled plug will shunt the spark and with these high compression engines during the compression stroke a weak spark can be blown out. the plugs need to have a white or light grey porcelin if not replace them

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