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Removed CCT, then bike died after a few miles

I use 600rr for lots of useful informaton..thanks guys,

So yesterday i was curious about changing my CCT to the APE manual tension. I took the OEM one out to look at it then i put it back in, not knowing it had to retract it or dbl chck the timing! (didnt run into a thread that said to do that) so it was bascially VERY tight on the chain. So first the bike didnt start, then it did after the 3rd try. Took off, and realized something didnt feel right, then immediately after that i lost power and the last thing i head was something like a chain breaking. So today i opened up the case and heres what i found:

1. Timing appears to be all off




2. Guide over chain was ate up. Chain doesnt appear broken


3. Tiny pieces of what feels like metal



4. Tensioner seems to 'pop' out sometimes. That part of it you see down the hole cames out toward the opening(best i could get sry), but i push it back and sometimes it sets back, or doesnt move.


I tried to manually turn timing, but it locked on me :(

So fire away at me, what could i be dealing with?

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CBRs are interference heads. In other words, you probably bent all your valves and potentially ruined your engine.

You might be lucky and have not ruined the head, but you should plan on a full teardown.
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yea it being out of time and that metal in there I would have to go with ^^^^^ it prob bent every valve in there so its toast

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agreed with the above statement.

It time to tear the engine down!

What made you take off the CCT tensioner? without proper info about the CCT.

The site is useful for finding info but You need to verify the info you read.
Buy yourself the Repair Manual.


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dude you just did a major bonehead move removing the CCT without setting the crank timing marks to TDC, take these guys advice & tear down the engine, you'll probably be looking at bent valves here.


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At the very least, you're going to need to pull the head and flush the bottom end to remove all of the shavings. I'd take the head to a machine shop and see how bad it is, and maybe just buy a replacement head off of eBay. You're also going to need new chain guides and probably just go with an APE. You screwed up, lesson learned, now consult the mad scientists on here to help you get fixed up.
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damn, that suckssssssssss!

agreed with what the others have said. time to tear her down and inspect.






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Normally I'm all for complete engine tear downs, but in this case, it'll be easier for you to just get a new engine and use that current one as a door stopper. At best, you're looking at $2k worth if parts to fix it if you buy new.

Less learned.


And dayum, look at all those shards of metal.
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yeah, those were the responses i was thinking id get. It was a stupid move on my part, but lesson learned ..we learn through our mistakes..due to the fact that its going to either involve lots of work time and money, im going to just sell the bike with no motor. I dont have time to fix it because im on orders to Germany next month for a few years.

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If you can ship it to Florida, I may no someone who would be interested in the bike.
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How far are you from Thunderhill? I'm going to be there on Nov 6th and wouldn't mind coming back with a track project. LMK
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If you can ship it to Florida, I may no someone who would be interested in the bike.
Id rather not deal with shipping Demented. Thanks for the help though. I really appreciate it bro

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How far are you from Thunderhill? I'm going to be there on Nov 6th and wouldn't mind coming back with a track project. LMK
Lucky for you im in Washington. At Fort Lewis. Dunno how far that is from where you are in OR. PM me if ur interested and we can work something out. I head back to Cali oct 18th. Driving. And i live an hour from thunder hill...love that track!

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From all the "how to" threads on the CCT, it seemed like all you do is pull the oem, and insert and adjust the APE. If the APE doesn't wreck the motor, how can re-installing the oem one?

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From all the "how to" threads on the CCT, it seemed like all you do is pull the oem, and insert and adjust the APE. If the APE doesn't wreck the motor, how can re-installing the oem one?
There is much much more to doing anything with the engine timing than just removing and installing the CCT.
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$2k for repairs is that a joke??????

I rebuilt the whole top end of my bike for under a 1k with larger pistons and slotted cams.
Get a manual. Pull the engine get it out in the clear so you can inspect every part. If you are mechanical you can fix it, if not take it to a shop and have them look at it.
Manual will show you step by step on how the take it apart and get it back together TDC with a new tensioner in place.

Alternatives.. Sell the engine as a whole or part it out.. If you part it out let me know how much for the lower as long as there are not case cracks. Have a good top end here just need the lower. T




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$2k for repairs is that a joke??????
Including labor. No offense to the OP, but an engine rebuild is above the head of someone who can't change a CCT right.
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Are you missing the part that the CCT pushes against the Chain guide in picture 4 or did you not take a picture of it? Just wondering if you broke this piece off and that is the metal shaving and that piece is in the oil pan.




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He got his head off, that is more than most can do. Give him some credit, no manual doesn't mean rape them $2000. Engine removal/install should not take more than 3-4 hours max in labor, maybe 5 if you do it yourself without any help.




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He got his head off, that is more than most can do. Give him some credit, no manual doesn't mean rape them $2000. Engine removal/install should not take more than 3-4 hours max in labor, maybe 5 if you do it yourself without any help.
Honda pays out 5 hours for it on warranty work. A motorcycle shop would typically charge about 8 hours to do it, plus parts. Haven't seen a labor rate under $100/h in a long time.

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Are you missing the part that the CCT pushes against the Chain guide in picture 4 or did you not take a picture of it? Just wondering if you broke this piece off and that is the metal shaving and that piece is in the oil pan.
The 4th picture or #4 down the CCT hole? down the hole, the Chain guide is still there and in tact

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You can buy engines on ebay for like $800... LMK if you wanna unload it though. Fiancee is on the bandwagon to buy it since she wants a cbr also.
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You already have it most of the way apart to see what the problem(s) are.. I would get a manual and see what the issue is. Using a socket and ratchet you can't turn it over to get the "IN" and "OUT" on the cams to be opposite? If you can do this you can see if the timing is out but you will probably have to inspect the valves for sure. Have 2 shops in FL that can do the work for under $100 and Hour, sorry not sure about Cali. 8 hours?? This is why I don't take anything to Honda because they have minimums for charged work that doesn't take that long.




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just get a new motor. its alot easier then digging into the one you have. then when you get it replaced, tear it down and fix it then sell it!

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8 hours?? This is why I don't take anything to Honda because they have minimums for charged work that doesn't take that long.
All dealerships are like that. I used to get paid for 11 hours to replace a transmission when it only took me 3 hours. Other than private shops, you'll typically be charged twice what warranty pays.
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Yup flat rate has its ups and downs, normally warranty time is a down for the tech. It does however help the customer get his ride back quicker vs. an hourly rate. When you could get paid 5 hours worth in 2 hours you tend to not drag you ass to fix it.
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Yup flat rate has its ups and downs, normally warranty time is a down for the tech. It does however help the customer get his ride back quicker vs. an hourly rate. When you could get paid 5 hours worth in 2 hours you tend to not drag you ass to fix it.
Never been to South Florida I take it.
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No never ventured that far south.
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Using a socket and ratchet you can't turn it over to get the "IN" and "OUT" on the cams to be opposite? If you can do this you can see if the timing is out but you will probably have to inspect the valves for sure
Sadly no. I tried and it turned a little bit, then its pretty much stuck where i took the pics. there's no more turning it. Id honestly love to get into it some more, but like i said in OP, i have 20 more days stateside before i head over to Germany for a few years. I was going to sell it originally, but now the value obviously took a dump! so Ill just get what i can for it

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