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Bike won't start!

Yesterday i went riding/training for an hour or better. Longest i ever rode since i bought it last week. When i finished & went to start it to put it inside,it just turn over & wouldn't start. The headlights usually comes on when the key is turned on,but they don't. WHAT COULD THIS BE? I bought a new battery when i purchased the bike,then had it charged @ the local auto parts store.This is my first bike & i'm clueless.






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Doesn't sound like your fuel pump is coming on "Whining noise when you put it to run". Check your fuses behind the left mid fairing to see if the headlight one is blown.. Fuel pump might be a lose connection at the battery or the run/stop switch is not making contact.




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Doesn't sound like your fuel pump is coming on "Whining noise when you put it to run". Check your fuses behind the left mid fairing to see if the headlight one is blown.. Fuel pump might be a lose connection at the battery or the run/stop switch is not making contact.
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All the fuses are good,the battery checked out good. i tried to jump it off(jump box),no luck




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Your bike won't start till you hear your fuel pump whine.
Has the bike been down or the front been worked on? BAS between the headlight would keep the fuel pump from turning on but if it's working fine then I would guess your fuel pump is bad or unplugged.. Wire is under the gas tank.




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Sounds like you have a ground issue, if you don't have a multimeter pull the plug off one of the headlights (low beam is my favourite ) and run a piece of wire from the black wire in the plug to a good solid point on the frame (that isn't covered in paint) or the negative terminal on the battery, then try start the bike.

If it starts you have an issue in the ground wire running from the front of the bike down to a yellow box that can be found on the left hand side just next to your seat. It may be wrapped up onto the harness but it does stand out like a sore thumb, and has been a common point to have issues.
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Don't think so!!




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Your bike won't start till you hear your fuel pump whine.
Has the bike been down or the front been worked on? BAS between the headlight would keep the fuel pump from turning on but if it's working fine then I would guess your fuel pump is bad or unplugged.. Wire is under the gas tank.
I dont hear the pump whine anymore either. No the bike hasn't been down.to my knowledge. BTW,i like your products




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Sounds like you have a ground issue, if you don't have a multimeter pull the plug off one of the headlights (low beam is my favourite ) and run a piece of wire from the black wire in the plug to a good solid point on the frame (that isn't covered in paint) or the negative terminal on the battery, then try start the bike.

If it starts you have an issue in the ground wire running from the front of the bike down to a yellow box that can be found on the left hand side just next to your seat. It may be wrapped up onto the harness but it does stand out like a sore thumb, and has been a common point to have issues.

would this stop the fuel pump from coming on? Im new at this so excuse the clueless comments. I wish it could be this simple




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would this stop the fuel pump from coming on? Im new at this so excuse the clueless comments. I wish it could be this simple
Yep, it certainly will.

The BAS is up in the front fairing, it's just a switch that sits on the ground side of the engine stop relay, so if it doesn't have a good ground going to it the engine stop relay won't come on so your fuel cut relay wont come on and the fuel pump wont prime.

What other symptoms is the bike showing?

Kill switch could also be the culprit...
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im having the same problem. not tryin to tread jack but we took off all the fairing, headlight, taillight, and signals, not it also wont start. were going to put everything back on one by one an see if it helps...
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im having the same problem. not tryin to tread jack but we took off all the fairing, headlight, taillight, and signals, not it also wont start. were going to put everything back on one by one an see if it helps...
You took of the BAS, that's why yours won't start... little box mounted behind the headlights...
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Yep, it certainly will.

The BAS is up in the front fairing, it's just a switch that sits on the ground side of the engine stop relay, so if it doesn't have a good ground going to it the engine stop relay won't come on so your fuel cut relay wont come on and the fuel pump wont prime.

What other symptoms is the bike showing?

Kill switch could also be the culprit...

Im convinced its a ground somewhere. jus by the way its acting,still don't know where could it be. It just turns over but won't start & i don't hear the whine noise i used to hear when the key is on. No headlights.




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Yep, it certainly will.

The BAS is up in the front fairing, it's just a switch that sits on the ground side of the engine stop relay, so if it doesn't have a good ground going to it the engine stop relay won't come on so your fuel cut relay wont come on and the fuel pump wont prime.

What other symptoms is the bike showing?

Kill switch could also be the culprit...
Do you have a picture of the BAS thing,i read elsewhere that this what it could be...but can't identify it on the bike




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Its the thing right between the headlights with the wires coming out of it...



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Sounds like you have a ground issue, if you don't have a multimeter pull the plug off one of the headlights (low beam is my favourite ) and run a piece of wire from the black wire in the plug to a good solid point on the frame (that isn't covered in paint) or the negative terminal on the battery, then try start the bike.

If it starts you have an issue in the ground wire running from the front of the bike down to a yellow box that can be found on the left hand side just next to your seat. It may be wrapped up onto the harness but it does stand out like a sore thumb, and has been a common point to have issues.

I agree 100% with "Ground Issue". Same thing happen to me when I purchased my 2005 a while ago. Road it for the first day for about 1-2hrs. Then went to start it up then next day and the fuel pump was not priming, headlight was out, and i believe the running light was out as well... Ended up being a ba ground in the front headlight harness I believe... I will look for my thread if it is still around...


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Sounds like you have a ground issue, if you don't have a multimeter pull the plug off one of the headlights (low beam is my favourite ) and run a piece of wire from the black wire in the plug to a good solid point on the frame (that isn't covered in paint) or the negative terminal on the battery, then try start the bike.

If it starts you have an issue in the ground wire running from the front of the bike down to a yellow box that can be found on the left hand side just next to your seat. It may be wrapped up onto the harness but it does stand out like a sore thumb, and has been a common point to have issues.
Nico I think you are 100% right. This is acually exactly what I ended up doing to fix mine. I ran a wire from low beam bulb plug (black wire) to the battery bracket for a good grround, and it started right up...

I would def recommeded trying this and it should start right up from the sounds of it...


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It started,i found some computer wire & did what mpicanco01 said do & wallah...like magic!! I will put up a video in the am!!
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It started,i found some computer wire & did what mpicanco01 said do & wallah...like magic!! I will put up a video in the am!!
THANKS GUYZ!

before i spend money i will check here thoroughly for the answers to any problems.
Now you just need to sort out the ground issue between the front harness and the main harness.
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Now you just need to sort out the ground issue between the front harness and the main harness.
thanks NICO,seem like your the "GO TO GUY" for many solutions!
i appreciate it. I wanna go riding but its raining & don't wanna mess up my carpet any more than it is!




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i appreciate it. I wanna go riding but its raining & don't wanna mess up my carpet any more than it is!


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This is just the thread I need! Glad you got yours running GKSPORT.

I'm working on my wifes bike. Same issue. She rode it one day and since then it won't start. I replaced the plugs thinking it probably had fouled plugs and still nothing. I can hear the fuel pump prime or at least I think it's the fuel pump. It primes when I turn the ignition on and it primes when i flip the kill switch to off/on. I checked the tip over sensor and everything seems fine with that.

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This is just the thread I need! Glad you got yours running GKSPORT.

I'm working on my wifes bike. Same issue. She rode it one day and since then it won't start. I replaced the plugs thinking it probably had fouled plugs and still nothing. I can hear the fuel pump prime or at least I think it's the fuel pump. It primes when I turn the ignition on and it primes when i flip the kill switch to off/on. I checked the tip over sensor and everything seems fine with that.

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Yep, check your fuses and power at the coils, common 12V pulsed ground to fire...
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Good to see you have it running mate, and don't worry about the T-Shirt - or even better, sell it and buy something for the bike!

Have a really close look at the harness right from the front through the plugs under the left hand ram air cover to the ground point, you should see damage to the harness or corrosion in the plugs somewhere...

Your ground point is on the left hand side near the seat, probably taped up to the harness, once you get the tape off it looks like this:

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Thanks Nico! I'll check these when I get off work today! I'll probably kick myself afterwards if it was just a fuse! I always say "check the simple stuff first" and I have the whole bike taken apart right now trying to find the problem and I didn't check the fuses first!
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Thanks Nico! I'll check these when I get off work today! I'll probably kick myself afterwards if it was just a fuse! I always say "check the simple stuff first" and I have the whole bike taken apart right now trying to find the problem and I didn't check the fuses first!
Common mistake I have yet to make - when I first started working in the electronics industry my first boss had managed to spend a week pulling apart a syncro amplifier looking for a fault, first day I started he had just finished putting it back together and found that the fault lamps were still off (they are on when its working correctly) and had ordered a replacement (at around $250,000) and I asked if he had checked the globes and made sure that they were still ok and it turns out that the two that were out has just happened to blow at the same time (not as unlikely as you might think). He wasn't happy with me for a couple of days after that.
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