Bike won't start - 600RR.net
Troubleshooting Having trouble with your bike? Common know issues or trobuleshooting questions here.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 06:33 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Bike won't start

I have a 06 that after running good all day wouldn't start. The fuel pump won't come on. All the relays are OK. I have NO headlights or front turn signals working now back and tail lights are working, horn and tach work when turning key on. I did not see any blow fuses. If I straight wire fuel pump it works. What am I missing? Thanks

Last edited by haf2race; 05-23-2011 at 06:36 PM.
haf2race is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 06:37 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Look into the kill switch housing make sure the connections are solid so many head lights get affected by messed wiring at the kill switch so that might be the culprit every time some one makes a suggestion try it out and let us know the outcome till we get you sorted out



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #3 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 07:42 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
All that looked fine. The bike will try and crank, just not getting fuel or spark. Bike end of bike, everything working fine. Front end only horn, starter, tach and fuel gauge working. No headlights or turn signals.
haf2race is offline  
 
post #4 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 07:47 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Have you done any electrical changes at all ?
Is the battery fully charged and the terminals are connected solid ?



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #5 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 07:52 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
No changes. Was running fine yesterday, stopped and got gas, went to friends house for a couple hours and when I went to leave nothing.
haf2race is offline  
post #6 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 08:21 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Take the battery out and get it load tested any auto parts store such as pep boys , Nappa would test it for free battery might be too weak to power up fuel pump & the rest of the gadgets



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #7 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 09:06 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
I got battery tender on it now. I will try tomorrow. Thanks for all your help.
haf2race is offline  
post #8 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 09:10 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by haf2race View Post
I got battery tender on it now. I will try tomorrow. Thanks for all your help.
Sure man no worries post up the outcome



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #9 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 09:15 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
My thing is why don't I have headlights and front turn signals?
haf2race is offline  
post #10 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-23-2011, 09:25 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Electrical grimlens are a pain to understand

Electrical short = blown fuse you have neither
Kill switch = solid connections
May be a bad ground or a corroded one worth checking



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #11 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 09:39 AM
Administrator
 
Nico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 13,137
Thanks: 135
Thanked 1,530 Times in 1,047 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Quote:
Originally Posted by haf2race View Post
My thing is why don't I have headlights and front turn signals?
Because your ground that runs from the front has corroded up and the BAS has also been affected... no ground going to the BAS and the fuel pump doesn't prime.

Check the ground box on the left hand side just next to the subframe and your seat... it may still be taped to the harness. You will know when you find it cause there is a whole bunch of green wires going into it.

Pull it apart and give it a good cleaning and see how you go.
Nico is offline  
post #12 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 09:45 AM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
I checked that ground yesterday, little corrided, cleaned and didn't help. What is BAS?
haf2race is offline  
post #13 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 09:55 AM
Administrator
 
Nico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 13,137
Thanks: 135
Thanked 1,530 Times in 1,047 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
Bank angle sensor, its up the front and stops the engine when the bike falls over.

If you run a piece of wire from the black wire in one of the headlight plugs to the negative terminal of the battery you will either confirm or otherwise my idea.

If I'm right the bike will start.
Nico is offline  
post #14 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 11:25 AM
Moto GP Racer
 
DepPravacion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,219
Thanks: 223
Thanked 224 Times in 183 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
got your PM.

the solution to my particular problem was a bad ground connection, in the ground cluster that nico mentioned above.

electrical gremlins suck donkey @#$^
Nico is damngood at gremlin hunting though, youre in good hands

https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?p=2729912
thats a link that is embeded in my thread, it may help too
here is my thread also. https://www.600rr.net/vb/showthread.php?t=193904&page=2


RIP PHATTY
05/08/1980-10/19/2010
VOTE RON PAUL 2012
DepPravacion is offline  
post #15 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 01:31 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Nico, I will try when I get home and let you know. Thanks. Are they prone to go bad?
haf2race is offline  
post #16 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 04:29 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
OK Nico you are right, wire from ground to light plug bike runs. Now what does that mean? Do I need a new BAS or is there something else I can do?
haf2race is offline  
post #17 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 04:41 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Nico to the rescue i figured it had to be the ground wire as the last hurrah after all clean it up and reconnect it and see what happens if that does not work you might have to replace the BAS ( bank angle sensor ) its part # 4 in this link part # 35161-MEE-640


http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID...up/SUB_HARNESS



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #18 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 04:53 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Can I not just bypass it so I don't have to take the front end off?
haf2race is offline  
post #19 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 06:28 PM
Moto GP Racer
 
DepPravacion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,219
Thanks: 223
Thanked 224 Times in 183 Posts
Feedback Score: 4 reviews
you dont want to rig it up like that man. just do it right.

if it is the BAS contact me and i will post one up for sale, i'm pretty sure i have one that i bought when my bike was having similar issues.


Nico saves the day, thats not surprising haha


RIP PHATTY
05/08/1980-10/19/2010
VOTE RON PAUL 2012
DepPravacion is offline  
post #20 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 06:38 PM
Back in the Day
 
Moeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 51,143
Images: 665
Thanks: 2,026
Thanked 2,544 Times in 2,156 Posts
Feedback Score: 148 reviews
Bas is a very important sensor bypassing it ain't smart action to take specially if you ride on the streets you want that fuel pump to loose its function asap when the bike god forbid goes down having the engine running while the bike is laid down ain't safe at all



If it doesn't challange you it won't change you
Only two ways to live life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.
Moeman is offline  
post #21 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-24-2011, 09:05 PM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Thanks everyone for the help.
haf2race is offline  
post #22 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-25-2011, 04:50 AM
Administrator
 
Nico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 13,137
Thanks: 135
Thanked 1,530 Times in 1,047 Posts
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
You wont need to put a new BAS in.

If I'm right all you will have to do is find the open circuit and fix it (free) or you can just run that piece of wire neatly for a more permanent work around.
Nico is offline  
post #23 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-25-2011, 05:31 AM Thread Starter
Knee Dragger
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 106
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
OK Thanks for all your help.
haf2race is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the 600RR.net forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome