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Question (shift to N) *coast for a bit* (shift down) CSHLUNK!!!

Since it's not a trouble/issue I was hesitant to post it here, but oh well. Figured it was something that I needed to know.

So let's say I'm riding like normal:
(shift down to first)
*clunk*
(shift up to second)
*clunk*
(etc etc etc)

But I notice when I coast in Neutral for a bit, the *clunk* is WAY worse/jarring when I shift:
(shift to N)
*coast for a bit*
(shift down)
CSHLUNK!!! (bike wretches a bit, too)

Why is this? I almost hate going to Neutral now unless I'm at a stop because it feels pretty jarring and I'm (ignorantly) worried I'm doing something damaging.


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i know what youre talking about and it sounds awful! but oh well

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dont coast in neutral not really a great thing for your transmission.... its ok once and awhile but just use engine braking and slowly come to a hault

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I know what you are referring to. I get the same thing as does everyone.

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When downshifting, R u blipping the throttle a bit before u release clutch?

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When downshifting, R u blipping the throttle a bit before u release clutch?
Nope. I thought that, too. I went into N, disengaged the clutch, coasted, shifted SCHKLUNK!! Went into N, kept the clutch engaged, coasted, shifted SCHKLUNK!!Did it a third time, but this time I rev'ed a little bit. Same result.

So okay, if this happens to everyone and is "normal", then is it something bad? Seriously, it sounds horrid.... I got no qualms with NOT coasting in N (I only did every great once in awhile if I was adjusting a glove or stretching as I coast to a stop) so that's not a problem, but I'm curious as to the mechanical effects it's having/has had on the tranny..


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mine seems to do it louder when im nearing my next oil change interval but i notice it all the time

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rev matching helps a ton and the 1-2 shift seems really harsh on all these bikes i hate it but just learn to make it as smooth as possible usually by being quick it can be avoided

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The clunk is the dogs engaging as you shift. When they engage the counter shaft either speeds up or stops abruptly, depending on if you are stationary or moving.
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neutral is bad if your going faster than what the transmission is able to do. But yea your all good just quit shiftin to neutral and coasting not a great habit to have in general

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When coasting try going in 2nd unless you've come 2 a complete stop.....
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When coasting try going in 2nd unless you've come 2 a complete stop.....
Pretty much this

If you end up in n shift back to 2ND let out the clutch and then back down to first. While rolling

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Why would you ever wanna Coast on a streetbike? That takes the fun out of riding if you ask me.(; The Only time I'm ever in neutral is at a stoplight so i don't have to hold the clutch in.
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Why would you ever wanna Coast on a streetbike? That takes the fun out of riding if you ask me.(; The Only time I'm ever in neutral is at a stoplight so i don't have to hold the clutch in.
Just be careful about that, make sure there is at least one car behind you before you put it in neutral. If there is no car behind you, and someone doesn't see you and is about to run into you, you need to be into gear so you can get off to the side of the road FAST. But once there is at least one car behind you, then its okay to click into neutral.

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Ahh. Thanks for the advice! I never thought about that. I've seen videos where Dumb*** drivers weren't paying attention and hit bikes from behind, I just never really applied it to my riding style. I'll make sure to be more aware. :D
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I've had the same problem. If im driving and i see a red light, i light to coat in neutral the 1/3 of a mile to the stop with no hands. If the light turns green and i put it in 1st going any faster than 4 or 5 mph it will make that awful clunk, but if i give the bike a nice twist of the throttle, roughly 6-7 grand, and put it in 2nd instead it will go in nice and smooth.

I assume because of the tranny and engine sync. I cant imagine that the clunc is not bad for the bike, so i always put it in 2nd and then if i need power ill just downshift into 1st.
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you should not be coasting in N.... stop doing it... clunk problem solved.

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Dude do NOT coast around in neutral! What are you trying to save fuel? -_-
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I get the issue sometimes up shifting into 2nd. Instead of going into 2nd, the gear goes into N and then when I shift up into 2nd I get that horrible clunk. Normal? I keep getting neutral a lot these days even when I shift hard into 2nd.


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Since it's not a trouble/issue I was hesitant to post it here, but oh well. Figured it was something that I needed to know.

So let's say I'm riding like normal:
(shift down to first)
*clunk*
(shift up to second)
*clunk*
(etc etc etc)

But I notice when I coast in Neutral for a bit, the *clunk* is WAY worse/jarring when I shift:
(shift to N)
*coast for a bit*
(shift down)
CSHLUNK!!! (bike wretches a bit, too)

Why is this? I almost hate going to Neutral now unless I'm at a stop because it feels pretty jarring and I'm (ignorantly) worried I'm doing something damaging.
try rev matching. that will smooth it out if you do it right
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yea that clunk sound is exactly as it sounds. Noot good for your bike at all. Should sound smooth if not then there is an issue with you or the bike.

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I like to coast like that to lights also. I usually give a little rev go to second then first quickly. Many of you say not to coast in neutral. Why is it bad for the trans to coast? Aside from the clunky shift that can be avoided.


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Just be careful about that, make sure there is at least one car behind you before you put it in neutral. If there is no car behind you, and someone doesn't see you and is about to run into you, you need to be into gear so you can get off to the side of the road FAST. But once there is at least one car behind you, then its okay to click into neutral.
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Ahh. Thanks for the advice! I never thought about that. I've seen videos where Dumb*** drivers weren't paying attention and hit bikes from behind, I just never really applied it to my riding style. I'll make sure to be more aware. :D

I am super scared of dumbass drivers hitting me from behind so i always watch my mirrors at lights when i see people coming up I ALWAYS flash my brake light multiple times to get their attention

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I am super scared of dumbass drivers hitting me from behind so i always watch my mirrors at lights when i see people coming up I ALWAYS flash my brake light multiple times to get their attention
Bein scared of bein hit from behind is a fear of mine too. I figure its better to leave it in gear tho so if I see someone coming I can get outta the way


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Bein scared of bein hit from behind is a fear of mine too. I figure its better to leave it in gear tho so if I see someone coming I can get outta the way


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Yep. Good call sir. That is something else they stress in MSF class. Keep it in gear and leave yourself enough room in front of you so that you can easily get away. And flash your brakes. Best motorcycle habit to get into.

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I didnt do the MSF but I always figured flashing the brake light was a good way to get attention.

Im not much for holding in on the clutch since at least in the Automotive industry it puts excessive strain on your crank shaft thrust bearing, so ive always taught myself to leave it in neutral at lights but that is a Valid point for quick get away from unaware drivers

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Don't coast. In any gear...

You should only have the clutch in whilst you are stationary or changing gears. You shouldn't have it in whilst you are rolling, and the only time you should be shifting into or out of neutral is when you are stationary.

Here is what you should be doing (And before you ask, I don't do them all either)...

When starting the bike:

Check the tyres, pressing on them with a thumb will tell you if they are too flat to ride on.
Turn the bike on and allow the gauges to do their self test, look for indicator lamp failure.
Check your lights (headlights, brakes and indicators)
Ensure the bike is in neutral
Hold the clutch and brake in
Start the bike
Slowly release the clutch.

When coming to a stop at the lights etc:
Brake early
reduce your speed in whatever gear you are in until the engine reaches idle rpm
pull in the clutch and shift down through the gears to first
come to a complete stop
once you have someone behind you you can then shift into neutral and slowly release the clutch.

Points to consider at lights...

Check the intersection in all directions before entering it.
Allow the car next to you to stay next to you, they are easier to see and there is the chance they will take the hit, not you.
Always stop to the side of your lane, when someone notices you too late, it's better that they go past you than run you over. By leaving a decent amount of space in the lane next to you you are giving them room to screw up.
Never change out of gear until you have something heavy between you and the traffic approaching from behind.
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It's better to shift up to sevens if moving from natural. It's hard on the tranny to shift down like that, but carefully shift up, give the bike a quick rev than shift it to second from natural.


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