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Bike Stalled in traffic and wont start..

This is what happened..

Any advise/insight is appreciated.

Off from work on the way back home.. i filled up my bike and started the ride back home.. to get to the ramp to the highway i had to stop at 3 lights.. all within one mile.. and at the third light, i noticed the temp on the bike spiking high to 200+ and then it stalled... considering it was a hot day as it was 80+ outside i waited for few mins at the light in the middle of intersection and tried to start it back again and it would not..

After waiting for few mins and trying few times i pushed it out of traffic into shade and waited there for a while mean while i tired to start it a number of times to start it but all that happened was it drained my battery and the clock was reset on the display and the starter started to go weak at this point i stopped and waited till it went down to 150.. gave it a try again and after several tries it started and i was on my way.. realizing that the battery must have got drained i did not stop anywhere in traffic and even used shoulder for a while...

It stalled one more time when i had to go in low speeds due to traffic but this time started back again in a min and then i did not stop till i reached home...

A guy on Harley did stop for me and asked me what the problem was.. i told him what happened and when my bike started he said he will ride by my side for a while... to see if i was doing fine..I had completely diff opinion about these guys till today.. but he proved me wrong...

so.. this is what i wanted to know...


What caused my bike to stall

1) was it the fuel i filled just a while ago at the gas station (it was premium as always)

2) was it just over heating of the engine

3) Was it because it tried to start it to many times after that and there was too much fuel pumped into engine ( i smelled fuel while i was trying to start it)

4) Is there anything else i will need to get checked.. like coolant...

Please suggest me.. i am not new to bike but i am new to learn about them and do things myself..

thanks for reading..

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During the summer, our bikes usually jump up to 210+ pretty quick at stop lights. But once the fan kick on, it should be fine. I didn't see you mention anything about your fan, did you hear it turn on?
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pretty sure your bike will cut out automatically once it reaches a certain temp BUT this is quite high and id be surprised if you actually reached that
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During the summer, our bikes usually jump up to 210+ pretty quick at stop lights. But once the fan kick on, it should be fine. I didn't see you mention anything about your fan, did you hear it turn on?
I am not sure about the fan.. i have heard the fan before when the temp went high.... today in traffic i did not notice.. next time i will pay attention.. so is that all to it.. just high temp caused the whole thing
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A guy on Harley did stop for me and asked me what the problem was.. i told him what happened and when my bike started he said he will ride by my side for a while... to see if i was doing fine..I had completely diff opinion about these guys till today.. but he proved me wrong....
Sorry to get off topic but after seeing this part, I have to totally agree. There were a few instances where absolutely NO ONE on a sport bike stopped to see if we were all right. It was always people on Harleys. I have a lot of respect for people on Harleys because they seem to be the only ones that actually care. No offense to anyone else that actually do stop for others though. Just talking from experience.

Back on topic. When I had a GSXR, my radiator was busted so it would never hold any coolant. My bike used to overheat a lot but it never stalled. So I don't think it would be because of over heating.
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.. so is that all to it.. just high temp caused the whole thing
I don't think so. I have been riding when the temp is 200+ (at low speeds) and it never stalled. Stalling, to me, is a sign of fuel starvation of some sort.

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hhhhmmmmm its not overheating.... should i check it for something else.. ???
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Moisture/water in the fuel/fuel system, when subjected to high temps can create gaps (vapor lock) in your fuel line and pump, and also foul your plugs and injectors. Try running some fuel treatment or fuel system cleaner through your bike, keep your tank at least half full (to reduce condensation), and buy the best gas possible!
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Moisture/water in the fuel/fuel system, when subjected to high temps can create gaps (vapor lock) in your fuel line and pump, and also foul your plugs and injectors. Try running some fuel treatment or fuel system cleaner through your bike, keep your tank at least half full (to reduce condensation), and buy the best gas possible!
will do that over the weekend ...Keysrider.. thanks...
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220 will not cause it to stall time for more troubleshooting :(

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OP:

Don't take this the wrong way, just trying to gauge how much experience you have and the exact circumstances when it stalled.

How long have you been riding?
Did it stall as you were letting the clutch out? Were you sitting there in gear with the clutch in? Neutral, clutch out?

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pretty sure your bike will cut out automatically once it reaches a certain temp BUT this is quite high and id be surprised if you actually reached that
Correct... 280 degrees I believe. So bloody high...
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not even close to max temperature.

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Well i have been riding since 15 years and this bike since 2010... no its not clutch or gear thing.. I have been thinking about what keyrider said above.. Bike was almost empty when i rode in the morning it was out all day in Sun and i filled it up just before starting back... and not even a mile after the fill up this whole thing happened... I could be wrong.. I am not new to bike .. but i never started working on them until recently.. so still learning...
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Don't take this the wrong way, just trying to gauge how much experience you have and the exact circumstances when it stalled.

How long have you been riding?
Did it stall as you were letting the clutch out? Were you sitting there in gear with the clutch in? Neutral, clutch out?



Correct... 280 degrees I believe. So bloody high...
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My bike used to stall out on me like this too. Turns out, my fuel filter was clogged. It acted like it was starving for fuel, and I had no idea why. I took it to the shop and the ***hole mechanic always said, "It's gotta be the rider's fault, you ran out of gas. Pay more attention next time." This being said, I always had over a half tank+ of gas so it obviously wasn't that. Pulled off the filter, and Sh** poured out of it. Never had another issue. I made sure to take it back and tell him how Sh**** of a mechanic he was though. :) Not saying your problem is the fuel filter, but always start with the K.I.S.S. rule!
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My bike used to stall out on me like this too. Turns out, my fuel filter was clogged. It acted like it was starving for fuel, and I had no idea why. I took it to the shop and the ***hole mechanic always said, "It's gotta be the rider's fault, you ran out of gas. Pay more attention next time." This being said, I always had over a half tank+ of gas so it obviously wasn't that. Pulled off the filter, and Sh** poured out of it. Never had another issue. I made sure to take it back and tell him how Sh**** of a mechanic he was though. :) Not saying your problem is the fuel filter, but always start with the K.I.S.S. rule!
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After you stalled and got the bike running again how responsive was the throttle? If it was just as responsive as normal you could Probley rule out plugged fuel filter. Seeing that you had a low tank on such a warm day I would lean towards condensation in your fuel system, just my .02

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After you stalled and got the bike running again how responsive was the throttle? If it was just as responsive as normal you could Probley rule out plugged fuel filter. Seeing that you had a low tank on such a warm day I would lean towards condensation in your fuel system, just my .02
once I got it running again it was fine felt completely normal.. until i hit some traffic again and had to slow down and the temp went back up.. it stalled but this time it started back in a min.. reading the maintenance chart on Nico's blog i think its time to change my coolant... and like you said even i am leaning towards condensation in my fuel system and also overflow due to repeated tries...
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no offense but it sounds like you. i did the same thing when first riding mine. It shifts differenent and isnt as responsive in my oppinion at those temps. Kind feels like a lag in it when you go to take off it revs but kind of a loss of power from when you first take off. You will get used to it if this is the case.

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None taken, but i dont think its me Speeddeamon.. I am not new to riding ..have been riding since 15.. not new to riding at all.. well if everything was fine with the Bike and it would have started back again instantly.. but it did not.. i might have added to it.. by trying to start it over and over again... as i was in middle of a intersection in rush hour..and baking at 82 degrees.. and this happened first time in 2 years i had it with me.. so i guess its a combination or few things... together.. but the input i got here helped me a lot.. will do some maintenance this weekend... also will start the bike and leave it on to see when it will stop by itself... and let you guys know..
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Other than rider error, I can't really think of anything that would have caused it to stall...

The difficulty in starting again could have been as a result of flooding the engine...

I'm not sure mate. Just see how you go.
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Don't know man ..never happened before with me and I just filled up I was thinking vapor lock... And yeah it was in neutral when it stalled I remember it now coz I was moving clutch wire as it was blocking my view to time on display.. If I was in gear I would agreed with you.. I might have caused the overflow after that ....


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Don't take this the wrong way, just trying to gauge how much experience you have and the exact circumstances when it stalled.

How long have you been riding?
Did it stall as you were letting the clutch out? Were you sitting there in gear with the clutch in? Neutral, clutch out?



Correct... 280 degrees I believe. So bloody high...
Edit: I was in neutral hands of clutch


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Dunno then mate. Let us know if it continues to happen...
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Where is the fuel filter located??
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It's part of the pump. You can clean it to some extent, but it's not designed to be cleaned or replaced...
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So you have 2 buy a fuel pump??
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I rode again yesterday after the last incident, had no issues at all.. bike started fine.. no stops anywhere.. expected it to get hotter on the way back but instead got drenched in rain on mid way !
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So you have 2 buy a fuel pump??
Give a go at pulling it apart first, but pretty much yes... a new one will probably be the way to go.
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no offense but it sounds like you. i did the same thing when first riding mine. It shifts differenent and isnt as responsive in my oppinion at those temps. Kind feels like a lag in it when you go to take off it revs but kind of a loss of power from when you first take off. You will get used to it if this is the case.
My old 06 600rr would do this.. At high temps in traffic, the clutch acted funny and my throttle lagged.. I would have to really "get on it" for it to move the bike.. My bike had 17,600 miles on it. I only stalled it because of that reason once or twice when i first got it. Then i realized what was going on so i adjusted my take off and i never had that issue again. I just gave it a bit more gas on take off.

I think it was just b/c the old technology and bike being older. My new 2012 1krr can sit in 100+ degree heat and get the temps up high but it runs perfectly normal, it does not do what my old 600 did.

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