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Clear Alternative tail light questions

I have searched on the site about IT's and didn't get enough info to figure out what the problem is. I suck at troubleshooting with electrical, so bear with me and hopefully someone will be able to help me out.

An integrated tail light was already installed when I bought the bike. I didn't notice the problem until a couple days ago... As you can see, the left side of the IT is off, but the right side works just fine:



The wiring from the IT contains 5 wires- red, black, green and two yellow:



and connects to the harness:



I followed and checked the wiring, but I'm just not familiar with the wiring of the IT. Can anyone tell me which wire connects to the left side of my IT? If more info is needed then please let me know...



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I would keep the bike running while doing the IT testing otherwise the battery will die very soon . Now when the tail light is powered up all of it should light up does the left side turn signal or brake light work or not if there is no function at all from the left side then its either a wiring issue or the circuit board internally is the problem and if that is the case pm Tripage he will resolve the issue for sure



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I would keep the bike running while doing the IT testing otherwise the battery will die very soon . Now when the tail light is powered up all of it should light up does the left side turn signal or brake light work or not if there is no function at all from the left side then its either a wiring issue or the circuit board internally is the problem and if that is the case pm Tripage he will resolve the issue for sure
I forgot to mention that- the left turn signal does light up, but the brake signal does not light up on the left, just the right. And I tested it while the bike was running. I figured the problem is just the wiring, but could be wrong.



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Ok does the left side base red lights up at all



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Isn't the green wire (from the bike) a ground? If so, it's hooked up to the orange and yellow wire which is wrong.
But you should just unhook and rewire that whole mess.


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Ok does the left side base red lights up at all
Nope, the only left that lights up is the amber turn signal...



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Isn't the green wire (from the bike) a ground? If so, it's hooked up to the orange and yellow wire which is wrong.
But you should just unhook and rewire that whole mess.


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So only the orange should be connected to that yellow? Like I said, I would rewire it, but I don't know sh!t about the IT wiring...



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So only the orange should be connected to that yellow? Like I said, I would rewire it, but I don't know sh!t about the IT wiring...
Yes. The two yellow wires (IT) are for each turnsignal. Take that green wire out of that connect so it's just orange to yellow and I think it'll work.


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What kind of IT Is it?


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Yellow to orange ( left turn signal)
Yellow to Blue (Right turn signal )
Red is positive ( Brake light / power up LP light )
Black is negative ( Brake light / power up LP light )
Green is ground indeed



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What kind of IT Is it?


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I wish I knew... it has no labeling whatsoever on it.

How could the green ground be affecting the left side, since the yellows are the turn signals and BOTH left and right turn signals do work?



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Looks like its the basic model i do not see the 2 control switches that
change the brake light / turn signal pattern



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I know green is ground and it shouldn't be in there. It could be grounding out funny. I know on my IT when I turn a signal on, it shuts of the red lights on that side while the signal is flashing.


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I know green is ground and it shouldn't be in there. It could be grounding out funny. I know on my IT when I turn a signal on, it shuts of the red lights on that side while the signal is flashing.


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That is true but the left side base red leds are not even lighting up lets see if they will turn on when he wires it like we mentioned i believe it should light up then the brake function should work as well and it will cancel itself out if the turn signal is used at the same instant just like u stated



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Did you buy it new or used reason i am asking cause Tristan sells IT with oem connectors ie plug and play not just bare wires like what you got



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That is true but the left side base red leds are not even lighting up lets see if they will turn on when he wires it like we mentioned i believe it should light up then the brake function should work as well and it will cancel itself out if the turn signal is used at the same instant just like u stated
On my clear alternatives IT, if a blinker is on at all, both reds(brake and running) will be cancelled out and remain off as long as the yellow is on. But we can all agree that the green should not be spiced into the same connector as the yellow and orange right?


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What you got is in fact a clear alternative tail light and not an IT here is what a real IT looks like








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On my clear alternatives IT, if a blinker is on at all, both reds(brake and running) will be cancelled out and remain off as long as the yellow is on. But we can all agree that the green should not be spiced into the same connector as the yellow and orange right?


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I approve this post as well and i am pretty sure this tail light in question is not an IT tail light its a clear alternative similar wiring but not equal quality that is for sure



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Mine says clear alternatives on the lens but is not that nice lol.
Here's a video of mine working if interested.
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I figured it would be an IT because I didn't think the basic tail light had turn signals - just the flush mounts/plate signals... so I agree its just an alternative, but I don't know what the previous owner was thinking... all he did was make things worse for the wiring.

I did disconnect the green, and did nothing for the red base light on the left- now if I keep it disconnected, the turn signals stays a solid amber color and does not flash...



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OK try this disconnect the yellow wires you know the turn signals work fine and just connect the red & black wires to the oem connector and tell us which side works and what function basic red light / brake light or both



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I hope the internals of the light didn't get fried.

Edit: did the resistor get unplugged when you unplugged that green wire? That would stop the flashing probably.

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I have searched on the site about IT's and didn't get enough info to figure out what the problem is. I suck at troubleshooting with electrical, so bear with me and hopefully someone will be able to help me out.

An integrated tail light was already installed when I bought the bike. I didn't notice the problem until a couple days ago... As you can see, the left side of the IT is off, but the right side works just fine:



The wiring from the IT contains 5 wires- red, black, green and two yellow:



and connects to the harness:



I followed and checked the wiring, but I'm just not familiar with the wiring of the IT. Can anyone tell me which wire connects to the left side of my IT? If more info is needed then please let me know...

The problem is with your CA board, not the wiring external. Looks like you lost the resistor going to the left side of the taillight. Not an easy fix.




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