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Smoking Real Bad

Some idiot took my front end out in a left turn a few weeks ago and the result was a pretty hard lowside. Aside from the cosmetic damage, my bike is smoking really bad now.

I was thinking that maybe some oil had worked its way into the headers so I took off the entire exhaust system, flushed it with a diesel solvent then with soap and water. Put the thing back on and let it run for a while to burn off all the water.
Well, the The smoking is still there...

It really intensifies when I rev it. Im only going up to 4-5k, but when I let off the throttle a big puff comes out as well.

I have not checked the plugs to see what kind of (if any) symptoms will show, but Im wondering if I should just let it run, and perhaps the oil will burn off of where ever it is or if Im looking at something more serious.

Other than the white smoke, the engine sounds just fine, maybe the idle is a little higher than it was before, but it still sounds good.

I would like to try and fix this myself, but Iíve pretty much reached the end of my mechanical aptitude.
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Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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happened to mine after a lowside as well. once i was back on the track, it stopped after a lap or two. try riding with it for a bit, see what happens.




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I've let it run for about 10 minutes now. It is still smoking like a mofo...
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is it constantly smoking? mine only smoked when i got on the gas and let off...




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Nope, its got a real nice puff coming out while it's running. Gimmie 5 minutes, I'll take video of it real quick.
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Here is a video.

Its a white smoke...

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What codec is that? I can't play it with WMP.

Is the smoke white, black or blue?

Check you oil for water.


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The smoke is white. Im fixing the link now....
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Ok, the video should be viewable in Windows Media Player or Quicktime now.
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well, correct me if im wrong, but blue smoke means burning oil, black smoke usually means its running too rich. So you may have cracked something (head gasket or something) and its getting something like water or coolant into the cylinders that shouldnt be there. I would pull the plugs and look for evidence on them and check ALL your fluid levels to see if any is burning down.. hope this helps

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well, correct me if im wrong, but blue smoke means burning oil, black smoke usually means its running too rich. So you may have cracked something (head gasket or something) and its getting something like water or coolant into the cylinders that shouldnt be there. I would pull the plugs and look for evidence on them and check ALL your fluid levels to see if any is burning down.. hope this helps
That's where I was going with that. White smoke is never a good thing. Drain a small sample of your oil. If it's grey don't run it any more. Take it straight to the shop.


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Some idiot took my front end out in a left turn a few weeks ago and the result was a pretty hard lowside. Aside from the cosmetic damage, my bike is smoking really bad now.

I was thinking that maybe some oil had worked its way into the headers so I took off the entire exhaust system, flushed it with a diesel solvent then with soap and water. Put the thing back on and let it run for a while to burn off all the water.
Well, the The smoking is still there...

It really intensifies when I rev it. Im only going up to 4-5k, but when I let off the throttle a big puff comes out as well.

I have not checked the plugs to see what kind of (if any) symptoms will show, but Im wondering if I should just let it run, and perhaps the oil will burn off of where ever it is or if Im looking at something more serious.

Other than the white smoke, the engine sounds just fine, maybe the idle is a little higher than it was before, but it still sounds good.

I would like to try and fix this myself, but Iíve pretty much reached the end of my mechanical aptitude.
Here is a video.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.




Other than the white smoke, the engine sounds just fine, maybe the idle is a little higher than it was before, but it still sounds good.
means one thing radiator fluid in the oil ie blown head gasket specially if the oil is murky that proves my point



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Can I not just change the oil? It was laid over on its side for 3-5 minutes while they peeled me off the ground....
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Can I not just change the oil? It was laid over on its side for 3-5 minutes while they peeled me off the ground....
Not if it's mixing oil and water. This is a serious issue. Have you checked the oil yet? It's kind of important. Is it overheating?


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drain the oil.. see if the detergents in it have activated. if they HAVE you're gonna have a hell of a time getting it all out. Basically the oil will come out this milky nasty whitish brownish color. Anyway, if it has happened drop your pan and start cleaning... I'd say run some solvents through the motor to get it all out but not with the wet clutch in a sportbike. Also, if it's a head gasket you might have gotten lucky and not have to worry about the oil. but i'd say something is seriousely wrong with your block.


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damn thats a lot of smoke. good luck, im sure your solution is either one of the above mentioned.
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:( I wish I had a magic pill I could just drop in. Im going to check the oil tonight and will keep ya'll posted. Thanks for the help so far.
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I'm also interested with this topic as I lowsided @ Donnington :( and my rr is also smoking (white) smoke, I'm leaving it for a couple of days to see if it comes back.

GL dude.
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Yeah, I waited a few days too... I was hoping it would "fix itself" ... it hasn't happend yet. Im doing the oil change tonight.

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hey wait I know white smoke is bad, but since its almost the winter months when I start the thing I get white smoke, it sticks around for a a few minute but then dissapears later on, Im guessing its water condensed in the pipe or something. what do you guys think?
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hey wait I know white smoke is bad, but since its almost the winter months when I start the thing I get white smoke, it sticks around for a a few minute but then dissapears later on, Im guessing its water condensed in the pipe or something. what do you guys think?
Yep. Just condensation in the exhaust pipe.


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Ok, after pulling the entire exaust system off and cleaning it and an oil change. I was still smoking. I then checked the airbox and it seems quite a bit of oil found its way into it.

I tried takign the airbox off, but could not figure out how to do it. But this is my problem for sure.
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You need to get a compression test on this engine ASAP. All the signs are saying you have compression problems. I'm not sure how much blow back through the airbox your talking about but some during break-in is normal. But if you have a lot of oil in there it could be a problem.

Did you check your oil yet? How did it look?


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Yes, I checked and changed the oil. It could have been my imagination, but the viscosity seemed a little runny. Also, it may hve been some leftovers from a coolent change, but it seemed to have a VERY slight greenish tint to it.

As far as blowback. I found a few other posts discussing this issue. My airbox had several "Drops" of oil around it. When I ran my finger down the lower part of the filter, it came back dirty. From the other examples I've read about on this forum, there seemed to be more than the average amount of oil in the air box.

I'll take your advice and run it in for a compression check.

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airbox was filled with oil maybe? air filter drenched in oil. thats what i did to fix my problem. i looped my bike.
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What brand and weight oil did you use?

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