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major issue with my bike! oil in the coolant res **Resolved Oil pump &Water Cooler**

ok so i did a cct replace on friday, i thought everything went great but then on sunday i come out to oil on garage floor. i look and i have no oil so i pull fairings off and find oil in my res? and cause of oil on ground was coolant overflow. if that mean i blew my head gasket? was there something i did durring cct replace that could have caused it? its my only source of transportation so i prob put 200 miles on new cct over the weekend.
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upon further research i believe my oil cooler pushed the oil to my coolant reservoir. but i fear my engine overheated even though i didn't feel any diff on the ride home in the clutch or anything. im afraid i blew my head gasket in the overheating? or maybe the head gasket is causing the leak not sure.
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Do you have coolant in your radiator or water wetter + distilled water?

Check your oil site level glass, is the oil the normal color or milky?
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You mentioned your bike over heated? How got did it get? How long?

If you ran it got you probably blew your head gasket but you would not be likely to get a lot of oil in your exhaust. But possible.

If your cct install was messed up there's a possibility your cam sprocket could jump a tooth causing all sorts of problems.

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coolant in radiator, and no oil in site glass. the funny thing is because cct is hydraulic i was very aware of both oil and coolant levels after repair. checked both several times that weekend. not sure it overheated but im guessing. not sure how much of my ride home was with no oil. its a 2005 cbr 600rr by the way.
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i don't believe my timing is messed up as bike runs fine only reason i noticed was oil on floor when backing out of garage next morning. so i killed engine as soon as i saw oil on garage floor. is it retarded to buy new oil cooler, drain both oil and coolant and flush cooling system. then see if it happens again?
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the CCT isn't really hydraulic. it's a spring with a non return ratchet. I don't think there's any way that changing the CCT could cause the problem you now have.

if your engine overheated you would have had indication of this on the gauge panel.

a new cooler will cost you so you would be better off finding out if it is damaged before you purchase another. why do you think this is the cause? are you sure the oil came out of the coolant bottle?
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yes oil is still in coolant bottle filled to the brim. plus oil and coolant spewed out the breather hose for coolant res. i reason i think its the oil cooler is because if it was just my head gasket i would have coolant in my oil. at least that's what I'm reading on the internet.
no indication on dash of overheating that i noticed on ride home. but who knows
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some photos
mess on floor <img src="https://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/1/1/6/6/4/9/img_2827.jpg" alt="Img 2827" />
coolant vent hose spewing oil <img src="https://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/1/1/6/6/4/9/img_2834.jpg" alt="Img 2834" />
need new head gasket? <img src="https://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/1/1/6/6/4/9/img_2829.jpg" alt="Img 2829" /> gasket was not like that on friday
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some photos
mess on floor <img src="https://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/1/1/6/6/4/9/img_2827.jpg" alt="Img 2827" />
coolant vent hose spewing oil <img src="https://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/1/1/6/6/4/9/img_2834.jpg" alt="Img 2834" />
need new head gasket? <img src="https://www.600rr.net/gallery/files/1/1/6/6/4/9/img_2829.jpg" alt="Img 2829" /> gasket was not like that on friday




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I would drain everything, remove coolant tank and clean it, then refill everything. If it mixes again, take the diagnostics a step further.


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ok that's what i will do today seeing how im not at work :( also thanks n3dmax for posting the photos the right way!
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hmm ok but if it did that once it will do it again....... it isn't going to fix itself.

I would have thought you'd be better off testing the oil cooler before you put another x dollars worth of oil and coolant on the floor.

when you changed the CCT you didn't disconnect any hoses did you?

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no i didn't disconnect any hoses i followed nicos write up here on the forums. only thing i did was turned the engine counter clockwise as opposed to clockwise when finding top dead center. but a buddy of mine said that was no prob. it ran great for a few hundred miles then this. like i said i checked fluid levels through out Friday and Saturday. how do i check water cooler? pull off and take somewhere?
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no i didn't disconnect any hoses i followed nicos write up here on the forums. only thing i did was turned the engine counter clockwise as opposed to clockwise when finding top dead center. but a buddy of mine said that was no prob. it ran great for a few hundred miles then this. like i said i checked fluid levels through out Friday and Saturday. how do i check water cooler? pull off and take somewhere?
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what did turning my engine ccw as opposed to cw do? hope its not too bad. seems weird that it took 200 miles to affect my fluids though.
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it did nothing.

if you remove the cooler and fill the water side with water you might be able to see if it comes over into the oil side. not sure what you'd do if you don't see it though.
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ok got my oil cooler off the bike. i will try water trick! thanks for the info.
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blown head gasket

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blown head gasket
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ok so guy at shop said there was no test for the oil cooler to see if it was bad. he seemed the think it was oil cooler or water pump. thoughts on water pump? he seemed to think the head gasket was highly unlikely because bike ran fine. im thinking of replacing both oil cooler and water pump as a last ditch effort to get my bike running. good idea or bad idea?
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Here's the deal. You can't really test the oil cooler or water pump. There's a chance it could be the internal seal on the water pump letting oil into your coolant. But somehow your res got full enough to spill, which only happens if you get over pressure in your coolant lines from over heating or from something pumping into your coolant. This happens when you blow a head gasket. Not too common but still possible when you blow the internal seal in your water pump.

You can't really test the water pump, but you can test for a blown head gasket by doing a compression test which is very easy and cheap to do. It will also save you money from having to buy a new pump and cooler if that doesn't prove to be the problem.

If you get good compression in all your cylinders, move on to the water pump.

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if the mechanical seal on the water pump fails you should see coolant dripping from the tell tale on the pump casing.

there is also an o-ring inboard of the mechanical seal to keep oil in the engine and away from the mechincal seal.

usually a failed head gasket will see water in the oil.
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if the mechanical seal on the water pump fails you should see coolant dripping from the tell tale on the pump casing.



there is also an o-ring inboard of the mechanical seal to keep oil in the engine and away from the mechincal seal.



usually a failed head gasket will see water in the oil.

Right. But what's easiest and cheapest to test?

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thanks for all the good feedback here guys! I really need the bike running so I ordered a new oil cooler and water pump along with the orings for both. I will use the time off from work to clean as much oil from my cooling system as possible and hope I can bolt on parts and go. from what I understand if that doesn't fix the problem my head gasket is blown and the bike is just a parts bike at that point. seeing how I cant fix it myself and to repair it would make no sense over buying a new bike in the same 2005/2006 year range. thanks again for the great info and let me know if there is a prob with my logic :)
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Blown head gasket is an easy fix. Will typically only cost around $500 in labor plus the cost of a gasket. A motor will run you about ~$800.

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i got lucky replacing the oil cooler and water-pump solved the problem. its my only mode of transit so i dident have time to see what part failed. if i had to guess it would be the oil cooler. thanks for the great advice guys!
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