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i started my bike for the first time this year and i started fine. i ran it for about 5-10 seconds then shut it off. tried to start it a couple of hours later and wouldn't start. it wanted to start but not quite. i hooked up a car battery and tried about 10 times throughout the day using full throttle. tried taking the plugs out and dried them off and still not starting. now it's not sparking barely at all and i can still smell gas in the exhaust. it's cranking fine and the pump is priming. i'm out of ideas. what can i do? thanks in advance.
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Did you put fuel stabilizer in the tank before you put it up for storage? It sounds like bad fuel to me. Try cranking the bike with the throttle position at 50% open. If that doesn't work try WOT and see if it cranks. You may need to dump that tank and put some fresh gas in.


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for starters, lets just not ever hook up a car battery again :0)


as far as the flooding problem... may need to dump the tank and refill... but try wide open throttle while cranking a few times for 10 seconds or so... remember not to crank the thinkg to long and and to close together as you'll overheat your starter.

let er sit, time might fix it too...
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what's wrong with using a car battery? it should be about the same voltage. i've only been using the starter for about 5 seconds at a time maybe once every hour. i'm using wot and i'm still smelling gas in the exhaust. so i guess i'll keep trying.
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what's wrong with using a car battery? it should be about the same voltage. i've only been using the starter for about 5 seconds at a time maybe once every hour. i'm using wot and i'm still smelling gas in the exhaust. so i guess i'll keep trying.
Same voltage yes but much higher amp loads coming from the alternator. If you jump your bike with a car/truck don't crank the car.


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^^ exactly, keep the car off and its no different than hookin up another good bike battery. turn the car on and you'll pop ur main fuse in a jiff ... are you seein black smoke outta the pipe when crankin it? black smoke = super rich
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I had the same problem with mine for some reason. I got mine to sTart by hitting the starter button before the injectors cycLe when you turn the key on. it started up, chugged a little. Gave it some gas and it ran good after that.

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I've done this 2 times, you fouled up the plugs...you can't turn it on for only a few seconds and shut it off. It will foul...I learned my lesson the hard way.... 2 times.

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i started my bike for the first time this year and i started fine. i ran it for about 5-10 seconds then shut it off. tried to start it a couple of hours later and wouldn't start. it wanted to start but not quite. i hooked up a car battery and tried about 10 times throughout the day using full throttle. tried taking the plugs out and dried them off and still not starting. now it's not sparking barely at all and i can still smell gas in the exhaust. it's cranking fine and the pump is priming. i'm out of ideas. what can i do? thanks in advance.
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i diconnected the fuel pump relay and cranked it, the plugs started firing. then i plugged it back in and cranked it again for probably 30 seconds or so while playing with the throttle and spraying starter fluid in. and no, the car was not on when using it's battery. i'm still not sure why it flooded, but i know now that it wasn't bad plugs or stale gas or the tip over switch. i'm so glad it's running, too bad it's snowing out right now!
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i diconnected the fuel pump relay and cranked it, the plugs started firing. then i plugged it back in and cranked it again for probably 30 seconds or so while playing with the throttle and spraying starter fluid in. and no, the car was not on when using it's battery. i'm still not sure why it flooded, but i know now that it wasn't bad plugs or stale gas or the tip over switch. i'm so glad it's running, too bad it's snowing out right now!
hmm weird deal. glad to hear its runnin tho!

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It flooded because you turned the bike off while the Autochoke was still enabled on the bike. If you start it and don't let it warm up enough there is lots of excess fuel still going to the cylinders causing your bike to flood.
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It flooded because you turned the bike off while the Autochoke was still enabled on the bike. If you start it and don't let it warm up enough there is lots of excess fuel still going to the cylinders causing your bike to flood.
unfortunately, im goin to have to disagree here. i believe the "auto choke" feature on this bike is simply a program in the ECU to boost the idle a bit untill the motor reaches a certain temp. unlike a carbed motor that has a choke butterfly that restricts airflow when cold to boost the RPMs, F.I. motors have a TPS (throttle position sensor) that communicates with the ECU to maintain a perfect air/fuel ratio at any RPM thus, eliminating an unusual rich or lean mix (extremely rich from the sounds of GA600rrGuy's situation). Someone correct me if i am wrong.
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unfortunately, im goin to have to disagree here. i believe the "auto choke" feature on this bike is simply a program in the ECU to boost the idle a bit untill the motor reaches a certain temp. unlike a carbed motor that has a choke butterfly that restricts airflow when cold to boost the RPMs, F.I. motors have a TPS (throttle position sensor) that communicates with the ECU to maintain a perfect air/fuel ratio at any RPM thus, eliminating an unusual rich or lean mix (extremely rich from the sounds of GA600rrGuy's situation). Someone correct me if i am wrong.
I would agree with everything except the ECU maintaining a perfect A/F ratio. It's not perfect but close enough for the most part.


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^^ haha ok i'll give ya that
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^^ haha ok i'll give ya that


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unfortunately, im goin to have to disagree here. i believe the "auto choke" feature on this bike is simply a program in the ECU to boost the idle a bit untill the motor reaches a certain temp. unlike a carbed motor that has a choke butterfly that restricts airflow when cold to boost the RPMs, F.I. motors have a TPS (throttle position sensor) that communicates with the ECU to maintain a perfect air/fuel ratio at any RPM thus, eliminating an unusual rich or lean mix (extremely rich from the sounds of GA600rrGuy's situation). Someone correct me if i am wrong.
What are you disagreeing with? The reason why it flooded or that the autochoke feeds more fuel then if it didn't have autochoke or no choke at all for that matter? Far as I know autochoke is not he same as holding the throttle open at the same RPM as the autochoke does, but then I could be wrong.

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What are you disagreeing with? The reason why it flooded or that the autochoke feeds more fuel then if it didn't have autochoke or no choke at all for that matter? Far as I know autochoke is not he same as holding the throttle open at the same RPM as the autochoke does, but then I could be wrong.
im not sure how his bike flooded or even if it actually flooded in the first place causing this super rich mix prob. I was disagreeing with you on how computer controlled F.I. bikes warm up. There is not a "choke" on these bikes but rather a "fast idle" programmed in the ECU to simply just bump the idle up a bit to warm itself up untill it reaches a certain degree temp. it basically opens up the throttle just a bit, same thing as crackin the throttle just a bit with your wrist manually and holding it there
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