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Mechanic is suggesting there's a HISS system on a bike that hasn't got one!!!

So long story as short as i can make it..

My CBR600RR is a 2004 from USA which got shipped back to the UK in 2011 i think.. then sold on to the guy i bought it from who didn't even realise it had been imported...

It's generally mechanically sound and i've had it since May 2016... i've put close to 2/3k km on her since... including a long trip to paris in the rain a few weeks ago....

She used to ride fine and i didn't have any issues before i had her into Honda in feb and got a tracker fitted... along with a few other bits and bobs... they confirmed that she had no immobiliser and/or alarm and that the HISS system had been taken out which could have been the reason that she couldn't be changed from MPH to KMPH - something i asked them to do but tends to happen by accident anyway when there's a short to the battery

on the ride down every time she started running hot she was stalling at the lights... no matter which gear or if i was in neutral or on the clutch... the idling seemed quite low and she was a little jumpy on pull away... however no issues restarting and as long as she was moving she seemed happy

2 weeks ago i went down to clean her and check if it was a coolant issue... having dropped the plastics off... i went to start her and there was nothing... not even the dash kicking over only the neutral light.... knowing this was a battery issue i went out and bought a jump starter and when i stuck it on the lights came back on and the dash did its jumpy thing but she still wouldn't start....


with the jump starter on the starter motor turns over fine... i've checked the kill switch, i've tried doing it on and off the stand... i've tried bump starting... she seem's to want to turn over but will not start...

since she was in an underground garage i got her taken out and over to the local mechanic...

He called me yesterday saying that i need to have the key with the chip to get her to start cause the HISS system must be a blocker ( he read about it on google) while i'm more than slightly annoyed... I've explained nicely to him that the bikes HISS has been taken out in the ages before my time of ownership and that i've never had anything other than metal keys for this bike of which i have 3

He has checked everything on the non starter troubleshooting sticky as far as i can tell in the correct order as we discussed this could be concern... i was all ready to order a new fuel pump but it's fine apparently even though i don't hear it on the key turn...

so yeah i'm kinda stuck and wondering what next...

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your mechanic is reading 600rr forums for help on how to do his job? time for a new mechanic.



it could be a variety of things, but my first look would be the work you had done to it

"She used to ride fine and i didn't have any issues before i had her into Honda in feb and got a tracker fitted"


chances are that install fucked up the wiring.
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Hey,

thanks for the advice....

so update... i got honda to confirm that my bike never had a HISS so that took it off the table... my mechanic is however tenatious as they come and has stripped the bike to the point he's found out that the ECU has burnt itself out

so now i need to replace the ECU with either a second hand 2004 ECU from the US or one from Honda depending on if they're still available...
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Get an ECU off ebay and have it shipped to you from the US. The easiest way to see if you have HISS is look at the cluster. US models there is a not HISS hole for this led. EU models have this extra hole in the cluster and will light up when used. Easy determination to know if you have HISS.




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I'd be trying to find out the cause of the burnt ECU..

If you chuck in another ECU in there; very likely it will get burnt again.. Bike doesn't normally burn ECU unless somewhere in the circuit there is enough voltage spike to do it.

Could be bad wiring from the tracker install.
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Thanks Guys,

yes @rinonz.... i've had the same conversation about what burnt out the ECU... the wirign on the bike aparently looks pretty poo... i suspect the tracker did add to the drama

I found these online... does anyone have any thought's on this site?

https://www.partzilla.com/product/ho...xoCMg8QAvD_BwE
https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/ho...a/wire-harness

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@tripage :) thanks for the tip... defo no HISS lantern on this brat...

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When it doesn't start and the dash "sweeps" do you hear your fuel pump prime? Whine noise?

I bet you don't. Your mechanic should check to make sure your fuel pump is on and priming before trying to start the bike because it won't start without it.

There is an easy check to determine if your ECU failed to turn on your fuel pump. You trigger the ground on the fuel pump relay and if it turns on then your ECM is bad.




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It can be the ignition causing this or the ECM. You have to meter the power going to the fuel pump to see if you have power there.




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Lift your tank and meter the wires going into the fuel pump with the bike on and in the run position. Tell me what your voltage is.




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When it doesn't start and the dash "sweeps" do you hear your fuel pump prime? Whine noise?

I bet you don't. Your mechanic should check to make sure your fuel pump is on and priming before trying to start the bike because it won't start without it.

There is an easy check to determine if your ECU failed to turn on your fuel pump. You trigger the ground on the fuel pump relay and if it turns on then your ECM is bad.

Yeah you're right... there was nothing... the mechanic has tested all the mechanics... fuel pump is new...done just before i got the bike and he's said its clean... everythings been stripped off and checked before we went into the ECU...

The ECU itself is burned out and melted inside... pretty lousy chance its starting anything at all... ordering another one and the whole wiring loom... will have to start over with the electrics

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how does he know it's all burned out and melted? the ecu is potted with silastic, there's no way to open it up
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i highly recommend you find yourself a new mechanic. if you are buying a new ecu and harness for a no-start that's a really bad sign.
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A simple volt meter to test the power to your fuel pump and we can help diagnose your problem. The only way he can tell your ECM is toast is by testing it. If he didn't test it then he is guessing that is the problem.

Could be your zener diode crapped out in your ignition.
Could be your ECM isn't sending the ground output to the relay to turn on your fuel pump.
Could be your relay is bad.

Fuel pump is new so should work if you have power there!!!




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Hey guys,

post revival....

Main reason is cause she's finally up and running and i know a lot of people go away without a fix...

I gave up on her for a couple of months with the job hunting and house move and MBA that i've had going on....

finally went about doing another bout of research online and found a video that showed the same symptoms.... As it turned out tripage was completely right on his first 2 options... the zeener diode did crap out... and the ECU was sending out rubbish... as it turns out i happen to have shite luck!!

the other follow up is the stalling at the lights.... as it turns out i've got a couple of burnt out ignition coils... (confirmed with replacements) that mean't the cylinders weren't all running clean... now they all run clean which means she no longer stalls when hot...

Also the KMPH/MPH issue was due to oxidised buttons on the board behind the trip cause the buttons had fallen out and she'd been left out in the rain.... i needed a new counter sadly which means the milage has been reset...

so yes she's now running.... though i have to admit i'd given up on her for dead and went out and bought a replacement the week before so....ooops

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Thanks for letting us know the issue!!!




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