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Is it my battery???

This happened to me a few times late last season and also yesterday, which was my first day out this year.

After going for a ride and taking a break, my bike won’t start. Everyone around me thinks the battery won’t properly charge while riding (not sure how this works with the bike but from what I understand with a car, the alternator keeps charging the battery while you drive). I don’t know too much about this and wanted to through it out here before I go and buy a new one.

While I charged it over winter, it started no problem when I brought the bike out. But like I said, after a couple hours of riding, I shut the bike off and it wouldn’t start again.

Also, do these batteries have any kind of warranty?

If anyone has an idea what it might be, please let me know.

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Did you wash your bike or was it in the rain or anything like that? I had a similar issue and it was just a short in the battery compartment from water. To fix it all I had to do was rearrange the plastic covers on the battery lines to make sure they covered the electrical.
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Did you wash your bike or was it in the rain or anything like that? I had a similar issue and it was just a short in the battery compartment from water. To fix it all I had to do was rearrange the plastic covers on the battery lines to make sure they covered the electrical.
I am not sure about washing it but it wasn't the rain for sure. I never ride in rain and my bike is always indoors when I am not on it. As far as washing it, I do it probably once every two weeks during the season.

I guess I am just trying to figure out how the bike charges the battery while it's running. It seems that the battery dies on me while I am riding. So once the bike is off, it won't start again. I have to jump start it. But if I hook up the battery to a charger, it works fine for a little while.

I just want to make sure it's the battery before I go and by a new one.

Any one have a similar problem? Thanks.

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Does it make a clicking noise when you push the start button?

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Try to push start it in 2nd gear

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Go get your battery load tested - any place that sells batteries should be able to do this, usually for free.

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Does it make a clicking noise when you push the start button?
Yes it does. Do you know what's wrong?
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Try to push start it in 2nd gear
I did probably about 10 times plus. It starts like that no problem.
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Go get your battery load tested - any place that sells batteries should be able to do this, usually for free.
This is probably a stupid question but here it is anyway.

What will the load test tell me about my battery?
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Whether or not your battery is good/bad. I had similar issues last summer with my bike - I'd go on rides for a couple hours, then stop to get gas and my bike would be completely dead, just the clicking when trying to start it. I always had to get a jump or push start it. My bike is an 04 which has known rectifier issues, so I replaced that to be on the safe side and I just bought a new battery this season.

Before I bought the new battery, I had my old one load tested and it was shot.

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Before I bought the new battery, I had my old one load tested and it was shot.
Thanks for the info. Have you solved your problem by replacing the battery?
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I think so, but I've only had the bike out a couple times this year. And I'm not sure of the life on batteries, but it was pushing 3 years old.

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I don't mind buying a new battery as long as I am sure that's the problem. I am just trying to narrow it down as much as possible without having to take it to the stealership first.
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Get a digital voltmeter and with the bike running see how many volts are being sent to the battery by putting the leads on the respective poles of the battery.(pos-pos, neg-neg) I'm an auto mechanic and all cars should put out between 14.1-14.5 volts when running at operating temp. Not too sure what the bike should be charging at, but definetly for sure should be charging over 12.6 volts. Maybe someone can chime in that knows what the bike should be charging at. Hope this helps.
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Thanks. I don't have a voltmeter to peforme this test but I'll see if anyone I know does.
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Try checking the water level in the battery? I've had that problem before
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Try checking the water level in the battery? I've had that problem before
No, Don't do that. The batteries are sealed and should never be opened.

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Hey, all you need to do is take your battery to Auto Zone or Advanded Auto, any place really, that sells batteries. they can put it on their battery charger and see if it is any good. I have done this many times. It is free of charge and if your battery is still good, then you walk away with a fully charged, known good working battery.

That being said, since you have charged your battery at home on your charger, and it works for a while on your bike and then doesn't, it seems to make sense that your bike is either, shorting out somewhere and draining the battery faster than the charging system can charge the battery, or it is not charging at all. I suspect the latter and would attribute this problem to the rectifier.

What year is your bike? I know the 03/04 model year had a problem with that particular part overheating and malfunctioning. This problem was resolved on the 05/06 model and surely the 07's as well.

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I am gonna take it tonight (if the weather holds up) to my cousin who is an auto mechanic. I talked to him yesterday and he said he'll be able to test both the battery and the charge coming from the bike. Will post the results here.

Thanks for the info. BTW, my bike is an 05.
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So last night I took to bike to my cousins shop. He tested both the battery and the bike. Bike was charging properly but the battery was done (and this was after charging the battery for 2 days straight and then riding for about 10 minutes to get to the shop). We are not sure what has destroyed the battery. Maybe I didn't maintain it properly during off season???

Any how, I will be picking up a new one tonight and hopefully, that will be the end of it, for another 2 years

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i thought mine was the battery so i replaced it and it didnt help so i did the voltage reg. and then it went to the dealer and ended up being the pulse generator!!
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i thought mine was the battery so i replaced it and it didnt help so i did the voltage reg. and then it went to the dealer and ended up being the pulse generator!!
Did you test the battery before you replaced it?

What is a pulse generator? Do you know how you would diagnose a faulty one and how much does it cost to replace?

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Did you test the battery before you replaced it?

What is a pulse generator? Do you know how you would diagnose a faulty one and how much does it cost to replace?

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the pulse generator is the stator/rotor. you could call it an alternator, but that wouldn't be 100% correct. Alternation is just it's nature, it doesn't do it on purpose. a more accurate term would simply be the generator. it produces AC voltage which the R/R converts to DC voltage and then further regulates the excessive voltage down.
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the pulse generator is the stator/rotor. you could call it an alternator, but that wouldn't be 100% correct. Alternation is just it's nature, it doesn't do it on purpose. a more accurate term would simply be the generator. it produces AC voltage which the R/R converts to DC voltage and then further regulates the excessive voltage down.
Thanks for the info. I replaced my battery last night. Now I have to play the waiting game and see if that was the problem as I really never proved what damaged the battery in the first place. It could have easily been this pulse generator. I always refered to it as the altenator.

I guess you learn something new every day :01_thumbu
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the pluse generator is like an inch by an inch haha its in the clutch cover its the 2 wires that come out tward the front on the top. the part is like 40 bucks to its worth a try. and yeh my batter was shot thats why i got a new one then found out that wasnt the problem. but yeh when i put the battery in it fired right up then decided it only wanted to start when it wnted to and ended up being that pulse genberator. so worth a try to try that if the battery doesnt work the tech said its common.
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just to clear it up its not the whole stator this is just a sensor. they told me as the magnet passes this it tells the plugs when to fire. i dont know but it fixed my bike so
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i'm quite sure i must have misread something. my apologies.
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Just wanted to follow up and let everyone know that since replacing the battery, the problem hasn't come back. Again, I am not sure what damaged the battery in the first place but all is well now.

So if you are having a similar problem (it seems that a few people have) as I did, replacing the battery is a cheap, simple and quick way to fix it.
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Just wanted to follow up and let everyone know that since replacing the battery, the problem hasn't come back. Again, I am not sure what damaged the battery in the first place but all is well now.

So if you are having a similar problem (it seems that a few people have) as I did, replacing the battery is a cheap, simple and quick way to fix it.
It's not a fix until the cause is found. since that wasn't done, it's just a temporary solution.

start testing your systems so that you wont have to buy a new battery again in a year or less...
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If he isnt having the problem previously stated, then I would say it it fixed.

I would bet money that the original problem occured due to lack at battery maintenance. The only way to test that theory is by negation, proving all good working electrical components. Is that what you are suggesting knightslugger?

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