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Wont Start or Turn Over

Yup another wont start thread…. So about 2 weeks ago I moved my bike from my buddies house to my roommates parents workshop… we trailered it in a closed trailer and unfortunately due to ratchet straps that didn’t fit the trailer me and my roommate sat in the trailer to make sure our bikes didn’t fall over… given it was super dark in there we had our headlights on… by the time we got to his parents I could see my headlights dimming like the battery was getting dead… So we got it to his house and I went to fire it up and it would turn over but not fire up… the only way I could get it to fire up was to attach a battery charger and then it started fine… well this weekend I went to work on it again and now it wont even turn over and the headlights don’t come on… but the gauge cluster lights up… horn works… fuel gauge works…. High beam indicator does not come on when flipping the switch

Also the fuel pump doesn’t prime… and after I thought about it I don’t think it ever primed…. BAS is good (arrow down), main fuses are good….

My buddy told me (not sure if this is true or not) that once one of our batteries is drained all the way it wont take a charge anymore… is that true? If so would the gauge cluster still come on?

PS- doesn’t turn over at all now even with a battery charger attached

Thought id ask you guys before I went and bought a battery… any ideas?
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Bump start it.
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bump start? hahaha is that the same as jump starting? it wont turn over though
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Push start it, I can push my self fast enough to get myself going to start it. So you and a buddy should have no problem doing it.
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Also the fuel pump doesn’t prime… and after I thought about it I don’t think it ever primed
Sure it does. since you don't hear a *WEEERRRRRRRRR* sound when the Ignition is on and the run switch is at the "RUN" position, this could be a BAS Issue, could be a fuse issue too.

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My buddy told me (not sure if this is true or not) that once one of our batteries is drained all the way it wont take a charge anymore… is that true?
No it's not. your buddy was fed some mis-information at some point by someone who doesn't know their ass from their elbow and he ate it up like a dog eats a steak: zero thought.

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If so would the gauge cluster still come on?
depends on the charge state. why, does it not come on at all when you turn the key?

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PS- doesn’t turn over at all now even with a battery charger attached

Thought id ask you guys before I went and bought a battery… any ideas?
Do you hear a clicking or a rapid grinding when you hit the starter? Is the transmission in gear? have you checked your main fuse?

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bump start?...shiiiiiiaaaaat. (i hate you insomnia)
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bump start?...shiiiiiiaaaaat. (i hate you insomnia)
LOL, happens to the best of us
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Last Week: (Key On, Run switch On)
Headlights came on
Gauge cluster lit up
Bike would sound like it wanted to start (click click click)
Not In Gear (Nuetral indicator on)
Bike would start with charger attached
High Beams indicator would come on if switch toggled
Gauge cluster comes on (speed, fuel, trip)

This Weekend: (Key On, Run Switch On)
No Headlights
3rd Light is on(light about headlights)
Not in Gear (Nuetral light on)
Bike does nothing when start putton pushed
Horn Works
Nothing changes with charger attached
High Beams indicator does not come on when switch is toggled
Gauge cluster comes on (speed, fuel, trip)

Checked the fuses by the headlight fuse... didnt check the main fuse (not sure where it is). Roommate checked the BAS today (said it was as pictured in some of the other threads, arrow down)
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and you've charged the battery since you drained it during transport?
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and you've charged the battery since you drained it during transport?
i guess you could say that... just hooked up a charger and put it in start mode... didnt let it sit for awhile... would you reccomend i let it sit on there for a couple hours or....
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...Oh boy... start mode meaning how much amperage? less than 20A i hope.

god i hope you didn't fry your battery... yes, i suggest leaving it on a 900mA charger overnight (10 hours) to get the battery back on it's feet. it may not hold as much of a charge because of what might have happened, but it should hold enough for a few starts. if you're not riding leave the battery out of the bike, and put it in the basement until you're ready to ride. do not depend on your bike to recharge the battery for you. you will overheat the charging system (R/R and stator) and you may cause more damage than you think.
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...Oh boy... start mode meaning how much amperage? less than 20A i hope.

god i hope you didn't fry your battery... yes, i suggest leaving it on a 900mA charger overnight (10 hours) to get the battery back on it's feet. it may not hold as much of a charge because of what might have happened, but it should hold enough for a few starts. if you're not riding leave the battery out of the bike, and put it in the basement until you're ready to ride. do not depend on your bike to recharge the battery for you. you will overheat the charging system (R/R and stator) and you may cause more damage than you think.

Hmmm cant remember exactly what the setting was... 6v i think?
I will try that... once i got the battery charged then take it out? Im in wisconsin so you know as well as i do that im not riding right now ha
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Hmmm cant remember exactly what the setting was... 6v i think?
I will try that... once i got the battery charged then take it out? Im in wisconsin so you know as well as i do that im not riding right now ha
hey, i've been damn tempted these past few days... but i know better.

6v though huh? eek. bueno ekk. the system is 12V.

man i hope you didn't blow something up. you just might have. in this case, charge the battery, and make sure to get it load tested before you install it in the bike (advanced, autozone... who ever) to make sure it's good to go for active duty. you do not want to repeat this action ever again. you might have to replace the whole wiring harness and electronics next time...

knock on wood it didn't happen this time!
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LOL, happens to the best of us

I haven't been asleep before 5:30am (at the earliest) for more than 2 weeks. I hate insomnia.
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Pull the battery and take it down to your local auto parts store or dealer for them to load test and charge. You need a 1amp (12v) charger for about 6-8hrs. Get one with a built in regulator so you can leave it on the bike for extended periods of time.

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2006 if i recall correctly.
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2006 if i recall correctly.
yeah shoulda added that to my post... its a 2006.

Thanks guys ill give it a try!
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yeah shoulda added that to my post... its a 2006.

Thanks guys ill give it a try!
you should add it to your signature...
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Ha there i threw one together quick

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Well it definately looks like the battery was shot... pulled the battery out and attempted to charged it at 12v..... looked like it was going fine for about 20 minutes until it started smoking! Tested the battery... didnt take a charge at all


Any suggestions on a new battery? For street Use? Thanks

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No it's not. your buddy was fed some mis-information at some point by someone who doesn't know their ass from their elbow and he ate it up like a dog eats a steak: zero thought.
from wat i heard, if you let the battery drain all the way out SEVERAL times, its not gonna hold a charge as much as it has before.
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Any old YTZ10S size battery will be fine.
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Any old YTZ10S size battery will be fine.
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That's only a 6-month warranty battery... get what you like but i'd see if you can find an AGM type battery. might be a little more expensive, but it'll last a long long time and be a timex.
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That's only a 6-month warranty battery... get what you like but i'd see if you can find an AGM type battery. might be a little more expensive, but it'll last a long long time and be a timex.
Excuse my stupidity... im new to the battery thing... AGM? Timex?

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Should have said Quality AGM... sorry. anyway, these are the kinds of lingo you'll see on some battery sales sites. that 6-month battery will probably work for a long time, but it might not be bullet proof (so to speak).

Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM)
Valve Regulated Lead Antimony (VRLA)

What i meant by Timex was: "Takes a lickin', and keeps on tickin'..."
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Awesome! Thanks that was alot of help... this was the only one i saw that referenced AGM... and if its really that much better the 20$ should be worth it

http://www.apexbattery.com/yuasa-ytz...batteries.html

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at least you get a 1 year warrantee...
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ha so i got a battery, which i probably needed nayways but that wasnt the problem... one of the sensors under the fuel tank cover got unplugged! how frustrating!

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