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Superbike from Monza today ** Spoiler **

I dont know if anyone else watched just now, but Max Biaggi totally got Screwed!!! Any opinions?
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i agree pissed me off.

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Yah dude, wasnt his fault, I have to think his pit should have said screw it and let him continue and dealt with the BS when the race was over, except they were talking about DQ...one the flip side, Laverty had a HELL of a pass at the end, that was NUTS!
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yea i mean he didnt do it on purpose but he shouldnt have messed up like that it was like a rookie mistake. and yea it was a good pass.

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True was a rookie mistake...he looked PISSED when he saw his board when he came around...Ft Hood? Sweet man...I just left Lewis and im at Benning now
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yea when he seen what wass up he was shaken his head be he was saying some bad words lol.yep the great place whats your mos?

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yah that was kinda funny, id like to have heard what he was saying under his helmet. Yep, Benning, the great place. 11B, spent way too much time here for schools and now im stuck here for 2 yrs...
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i was 15r(apache mechanic) yea those schools can be long.

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If continued to race without serving his ride though penalty, more then likely he would have been black flagged.

Not sure if I agree with him having to do a ride though. Didnt Haga miss turn one also? But then again all he had to do was go to the back of the train of bikes he was fighting with.

I do agree though with what one of the commentators said about a time penalty. Say 5 seconds added to his race time? He had open track position to make up the time

I hate it when race officials taht are inconsistent with the penalties/ decisions.
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In race one Haga had a ride through penality for doing the exact same thing. In race two Haga was pushed out of the chicane by Marco Melandri and as a result was not forced to do a ride though. All in all the officiating was fair but very HARSH. At Monza ride throughs are given when riding through a chicane for 1 of 3 reasons.

1. Gaining a postion by cutting through a chicane
2. Gaining time by cutting through a chicaine
3. Touching the white lines as you go though the chicane

Biaggi was given the ride through for doing the 3rd offence. I can't say I know what the white lines are for, perhaps they make the course/on-track area or some saftey thing? Either way that was a silly mistake to make while leading by such a large margin and not having to push. Baggi tends to make/have mental laspse every now and then for no apparent reason. If you watch race one when him and Hasmlem started to go at it they lost contact with Laverty becasue Baiggi was missing apexs left right and centre for no apparent reason.a

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If continued to race without serving his ride though penalty, more then likely he would have been black flagged.

Not sure if I agree with him having to do a ride though. Didnt Haga miss turn one also? But then again all he had to do was go to the back of the train of bikes he was fighting with.

I do agree though with what one of the commentators said about a time penalty. Say 5 seconds added to his race time? He had open track position to make up the time

I hate it when race officials taht are inconsistent with the penalties/ decisions.
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I didnt know Haga had the same problem and had the same penalty. As long as officials are far thats what matters but in the same instance, SBK needs to relook at some of the penalties, as BHKHOK said, a time penalty would be more appropriate, a ride through totally takes you out, he went from +5 in 1st to over 20 behind in 10th. Either a time penalty or say some sort of a next lap, closed throttle from finish line to first corner or to a marker, just something that still gives the rider a fighting chance
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He actually finished in 8th. I think it was pure bovine feces.

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Back on topic,

Anyone know where to find the aftermath of the races? Any website? I'd love to know how things played out with the officials for that crap.

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Im not sure where we could find the aftermath or the results videos, prob on youtube somewhere, id imagine someone would have recorded and posted it. '

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Anyone know where to find the aftermath of the races? Any website? I'd love to know how things played out with the officials for that crap.
I was wondering the same thing.

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I was wondering the same thing.
this.

I thought the penalty was too severe. It's his fault for blowing the chicane when he was way out front, but still. At some road courses they make you do a stop and go in the runoff section. I like this solution because it doesn't take as long and you can safely rejoin the race right away. the ride through is a bust. Biaggi probably slapped somebody for real this time. Or not. He's kind of a punk.

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Im not sure where we could find the aftermath or the results videos, prob on youtube somewhere, id imagine someone would have recorded and posted it. '

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Yah small world for sure. Griff and I were Team Leaders together in 04-05. He was a great man and a true leader.
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Pretty severe I agree, I also like the idea of a stop n go in the run off.
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I'm no Biaggi fan, but that penalty was a ridiculous decision.
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Seriously guys, the issue was not that he went through the chicane but that he didn't enter the track in the correct manner aka the white lines. Why didn't he enter the track in the correct manner, well he decided that the Emperor doesn't need to attend safety meetings where the rules were clearly explained. Should he get a pass for not attending safety meetings where rules are explained? Should be get a pass for being arrogant enough to assume the rules explained in the safety meetings either didn't apply to him or he knows everything there is to know about the matter? Like I said before the ruling was very HARSH but fair.

"... a chicane consisting of white lines on the run off area, then a narrow path delineated by more white lines serving as the entrance to the track. The riders were told during the briefing on Thursday afternoon about the situation at chicane, and the rules which were to be observed should they find themselves going straight on at the chicane. Any rider going straight on three times during the race would be penalized with a ride-through penalty, a punishment applied to Noriyuki Haga during race one. Additionally, any rider not returning to the track via the appointed path (by following the white lines) would also be given a ride-through penalty.

One rider had not attended the briefing, however. That rider was Max Biaggi, and so when the Italian found himself running straight on at the chicane - despite sitting on a comfortable lead of nearly six seconds - he compounded the simple error (not braking in time) with a much more severe one (rejoining the race without following the correct procedure). Despite the fact that Biaggi gained little or no advantage, Race Direction had to apply the rules, and imposed a ride-through on the Italian, turning his 6-second lead into a 20-second deficit, and dropping him 11 places in the process. Biaggi had the opportunity at Monza to rake back 32 points from the championship leader Carlos Checa, but his lack of foresight in attending the rider briefing meant that he got less than half that.

In effect, Biaggi's lapse of judgment cost the reigning World Champion 17 points, and it could have been more if he hadn't had a little help from a mechanical problem for Checa in the final laps of race two. 17 points can be a lot, and the title has been settled by less than that four times in the past ten years. Max Biaggi is a five-time world champion, four times in 250s and once in World Superbikes. He really should have known better."


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Seriously guys, the issue was not that he went through the chicane but that he didn't enter the track in the correct manner aka the white lines.

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Wtf do you mean "seriously guys?"

Obviously we were unaware. From the sound of your first post you didn't know what the white lines were for either. Don't start being a high and mighty tool because you found the explanation and learned the same. Thanks for the link.

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Seriously Bullast! Are you taking offence to me saying "Seriously guys"? Because thats seriously weird since I never attacked or singled out anyone in either of my posts. I seriously always said that the ruling was very HARSH but fair and thats how I seriously feel. I seriously can't fathom why you might think I'm being high and mighty in my previous post. I hope by now you understand that the word SERIOUSLY is not an insult when used in a cohesive manner.


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Or what? Seriously Bullast calm down its the interwebs and not real life.
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Obviously, it was the context and manner in which you used "seriously." Your next post simply brought to light your immaturity. You SERIOUSLY got me though.

Btw, have some fukn manners. I said thanks for the link.

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Relax, its impossible to judge inflection when reading particularly when reading a post on the internet. Part of the problem here may be cultural differences. I'm sure when you substitue the word 'hey' or 'come'on' for 'seriously' even for 'seriously guys' in my second post you would not read it as a provocation, which it wasn't intended to be.

My third post was in jest because fighting on the interwebs is........pointless.

Btw by 'relax' I dont mean your wound-up, by 'cultural' I dont mean your not cultured, by asking you to re-read my 2nd post I dont mean you can't comprehend my post, by saying fighting on the interwebs is pointless I didn't mean your posts are pointless..............being PC or trying to guess what someone will infer for a post can get tiring after a while, particularly on the internet where you deal with people from different cultures, backgrounds and walks of life.

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Obviously, it was the context and manner in which you used "seriously." Your next post simply brought to light your immaturity. You SERIOUSLY got me though.

Btw, have some fukn manners. I said thanks for the link.
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Thanks for clearing that up.


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$hit. I didn't want a fukn truce! I wanted those minimal manners used for a "you're welcome" for the damn link!

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